Doepfer LMK4+ LMK2+ user feedback?/ my 6 controllers review

bc3po

Member
i dont have the manuel anymore, but off my memory im pretty sure you hit the 'split' or 'CTR' button. then under one of those two menus, hit either button 4,5,or 6, on either the 'Bank' or 'NR' lane. Pretty sure it was on the 'bank' lane. but youll see in the little digital read out, itll say something like "blk key lvl". then use the big knob to turn it down from 127 to whatever you like.

afterwords, pay attention to if it feels like the volume of the note youre playing is either harder to play, or if it just suddenly hits a volume ceiling that doesnt let it go any higher
Cool, I figured it out. I think it actually scales it instead of creating a ceiling, its a good fix!
 

RCsound

Active Member
I also have a LMK2+ and is pretty annoying the clunking noise afte some time.

Someone has put the keybed out of the box, and noticed the keybed quieter than before?
 

Gerhard Westphalen

Scoring Mixer
I used one of the Studio Logic ones for a month that has the same keybed which was out of its case and I didn't find it particularly clunky. Not more than most other digital pianos I've played. Most of the keys didn't work properly (we took it apart I think around 6 times trying to fix it and then gave up) so it was hard for me to get a real sense of if I liked how it responded to velocity. It is among my favorite actions.
Normally I use a Clavinova for piano playing which I really like but the action is a bit lighter than the fatar. Unfortunately it's not something I can take the keybed out to put under my desk so I'm planning to swap my Impact LX88 (which I can't play piano on) with a Doepfer sometime.
 

JohnG

Senior Member
To the OP:

Brother I am ok with my LMK4+ I don't find it noisy, certainly nowhere near as noisy as my ancient Kurzweil (20 years) and many others I tried.

I don't quite know what you are interested in hearing from other users, but in reading your post it is clear you're more sensitive to the action and noise than I. I had tried a large number of keyboards too and found this the best of those I tried. I was actually shocked at what hunks of junk some of the other keyboards' hardware were. Sloppy mod wheels and joysticks, keyboards sending random cc information when controllers aren't touched -- yikes!

I tested three Doepfers at the local dealer and the one I had seemed the most even to the touch up and down the key bed. There was a noticeable difference among the ones I tried.

@Greg you are braver than I am man! Impressive!
 

byzantium

Active Member
it really all depends on your needs. the roland wasnt too bad honestly. it was just very basic compared to other boards at its price. the keys felt odd, like a rubbery cushioned feeling when you'd push down. almost like they put too much padding to quiet the keys. i also didnt like that you couldnt change the velocity curve (as far as i could tell), all my vsti's were playing really quiet, unless i reeeally hit the keys. also the d-beam worked horribly but that was just a gimmicky inclusion anyway, i dont think anyone was buying it for that hah. and ive just never been a fan of the spring lever mod/pitch thing. the only thing i did like was it had a flat top with no controls on it, so i could align it with my desk and keep my other equipment right there in front of me. or tuck the keybaord right under the desk. but the doepfer can do that too, with much more pro's to it, so.

i would totally go for the doepfer or SL88 Grand instead, but the keybed thing really comes down to preferred feel.
Hi FrankIV,

I don't have a Roland A-88 but the relevant manual page states that you can choose from 5 velocity curves. Would this move it up a bit in your estimation / ranking?

(With the pros of the flat top and quietness, but the downside of having to buy and situate an additional external controller for modwheel/faders)
 
I found the doepfer one of the best playing electronic key instrument I ever played; toucher was unbelievable! (but indeed a bit noisy)
Also, the toucher on all kurzweil instruments is very, very good and 'musical'
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Physis K4 can have graded action but I like it for controlling the world with.
Semi weighted is my preference as I do much more than just Piano.
Recently was faced with the prospects of having to automate lighting cues and audio mixing.
Just cant rely on a DAW and cant automate digital mixers using iOS or Android.
So I built my own mixer with custom monitor mixes.

Lo and behold was told no stage monitors and the drummer is in Plexiglass isolation booth.
Another headache, so back to the drawing board.
2 x dbx quad comps, 2 x quad Drawmar gates, Bellari Tube compressor, Bellari Tube Exciter and 3 x TC Fireworx for outboard FX.
Direct bass, guitar, 8 x earthworx drum mics, 3 vocals and keys.

Physis K4 controls every aspect of the mix to FOH and custom IEM mixes.
An impressive controller.

First took a design for signal flow then built the mixer.
I was looking at spending 8000 bucks on a digital mixer and Cat5 snake.
My design took 2 days to create then program.
Cant do the lights until pre production but they will have at least 8 buttons for toggle or flash, and 3 expression pedals for dimming and swelling brightness.

Physis does it all.
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Markus Kohlprath

Active Member
Wow thats really impressive. So you can even abuse it as a live mixer. Not really what I need but interesting.
Would love to get my hands on one to feel it and check how accurate it transfers velocity and mod. Thats where the cheap ones really fall apart.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Its got DSP assisted USB ( 4 ports out 2 ports in) and MIDI (8 out 2 in) with high resolution like the VAX 77 from infinite response.
If you had a Yamaha 01V96i and Cubase AI you would never leave the house.
A fellow K4 guy here has a Triple 4k DAW using those and its impressive.
He has the graded hammers and I suppose they're good.
I just like less resistance since I do 90 minute shows with lots of licks.
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remark39

New Member
Cool, I figured it out. I think it actually scales it instead of creating a ceiling, its a good fix!
I'm not sure if the LMK2+ has this same black key velocity "scaling." I could only get mine to use a black key velocity limiter (not very useful IMHO). I actually found a great solution to really tweak the feel of my Doepfer to exactly how I want. I'm using a program called 'Bome Midi Translator Pro.' It basically goes between your keyboard and your DAW and can create complex midi transformations. In case anyone is interested, here's the code that I came up with to tweak the black key and white key velocity to exactly how I like...(FYI, I know this code is probably not the most elegant, but it works!)

(incoming note variable set to = pp, incoming velocity variable set to = vv, "Swallow Midi" checked)


rr=pp%12
if rr==0 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==1 then Goto "Black Keys"
if rr==2 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==3 then Goto "Black Keys"
if rr==4 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==5 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==6 then Goto "Black Keys"
if rr==7 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==8 then Goto "Black Keys"
if rr==9 then Goto "White Keys"
if rr==10 then Goto "Black Keys"
if rr==11 then Goto "White Keys"



Label "Black Keys"

if vv==127 then Goto "B127"
if vv==126 then Goto "B126"
if vv==125 then Goto "B125"
if vv==124 then Goto "B124"
if vv>=121 then Goto "B121-123"
if vv>=118 then Goto "B118-120"
if vv>=114 then Goto "B114-117"
if vv>=110 then Goto "B110-113"
if vv>=105 then Goto "B105-109"
if vv>=100 then Goto "B100-104"

vv=vv-22

if vv<0 then vv=1
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action


Label "B127"
vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B126"
vv=vv-2
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B125"
vv=vv-4
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action


Label "B124"
vv=vv-5
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B121-123"
vv=vv-13
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B118-120"
vv=vv-20
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B114-117"
vv=vv-21
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B110-113"
vv=vv-22
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B105-109"
vv=vv-22
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "B100-104"
vv=vv-22
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action



Label "White Keys"

if vv==127 then Goto "W127"
if vv==127 then Goto "W126"
if vv==127 then Goto "W125"
if vv==126 then Goto "W123"
if vv==125 then Goto "W122"
if vv==124 then Goto "W121"
if vv>=121 then Goto "W120"


if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action


Label "W127"
vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W126"
vv=vv+4
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W125"
vv=vv+3
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W124"
vv=vv+3
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W123"
vv=vv+2
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W122"
vv=vv+2
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W121"
vv=vv+1
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action

Label "W120"
vv=vv+1
if vv>127 then vv=127
exit rules, execute Outgoing Action
 

etudes

New Member
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Studiologic SL88 XY knobs instead of a Mod wheel?

I'm looking for an 88-key keyboard with minimal height (for a desk build), best piano action, and mechanical quietness in mind. Reading through this thread, it seems like maybe the SL88 is the best option.

I currently have an old Yamaha YPG-635, the "GHS" keybed action is pretty good. But it's clunky/noisy, too thick/tall, and it sends weird MIDI messages (eg. the pedal messages get sent over two channels, so I end up with duplicate pedal data).

If it's useful to anyone, I've been making notes on the specs for a bunch of these 88-key MIDI controllers:

Doepfer LMK2+ $1400
57.48” × 10.43” × 4.13” without ball corners
58.27” × 11.02” × 4.72” with ball corners
53 lbs
TP/40GH

Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2 $1049
54.7’’ × 13.6” × 4.5’’
29 lbs
most likely modified TP/100

Roland A-88 $900
56.81” × 10.75” × 4.63”
35 lbs
Ivory Feel-G

Roland A-88 MkII $1000
56.31” × 10.81” × 4.687”
36 lbs
Ivory Feel PHA-4

Studiologic SL88 Studio $500
49.6” × 12.2” × 4.9”
30 lbs
TP/100LR

Studiologic SL88 Grand $900
49.6” × 12.2” × 4.9”
46 lbs
TP/40WOOD

Arturia KeyLab 88 $600
50.98” × 13.78” × 4.33”
28.66 lbs
TP/100LR

Arturia KeyLab 88 MkII $900
50.9” × 12.7” × 4.4”
32.4 lbs
TP/100LR

M-Audio Hammer 88 $460
55.9” × 11.9” × 5.0”
38.5 lbs
 
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yves

New Member
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Studiologic SL88 XY knobs instead of a Mod wheel?

I'm looking for an 88-key keyboard with minimal height (for a desk build), best piano action, and mechanical quietness in mind. Reading through this thread, it seems like maybe the SL88 is the best option.

I currently have an old Yamaha YPG-635, the "GHS" keybed action is pretty good. But it's clunky/noisy, too thick/tall, and it sends weird MIDI messages (eg. the pedal messages get sent over two channels, so I end up with duplicate pedal data).

If it's useful to anyone, I've been making notes on the specs for a bunch of these 88-key MIDI controllers:

Doepfer LMK2+ $1400
57.48” × 10.43” × 4.13” without ball corners
58.27” × 11.02” × 4.72” with ball corners
53 lbs
TP/40GH

Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2 $1049
54.7’’ × 13.6” × 4.5’’
29 lbs
most likely modified TP/100

Roland A-88 $900
56.81” × 10.75” × 4.63”
35 lbs
Ivory Feel-G

Roland A-88 MkII $1000
56.31” × 10.81” × 4.687”
36 lbs
Ivory Feel PHA-4

Studiologic SL88 Studio $500
49.6” × 12.2” × 4.9”
30 lbs
TP/100LR

Studiologic SL88 Grand $900
49.6” × 12.2” × 4.9”
46 lbs
TP/40WOOD

Arturia KeyLab 88 $600
50.98” × 13.78” × 4.33”
28.66 lbs
TP/100LR

Arturia KeyLab 88 MkII $900
50.9” × 12.7” × 4.4”
32.4 lbs
TP/100LR

M-Audio Hammer 88 $460
55.9” × 11.9” × 5.0”
38.5 lbs

Thanks for writing those specs out !

From the list you wrote , my choices would be either the StudioLogic SL88 Grand or the Roland A-88 Mk 2 .

I tried all of them listed and i also been researching this for a long time and to me , the Roland and the Studiologic have the best keybed feel and the size is right for desktop production settings .

just my 2 cents..:)
 

etudes

New Member
Thanks for writing those specs out !

From the list you wrote , my choices would be either the StudioLogic SL88 Grand or the Roland A-88 Mk 2 .

I tried all of them listed and i also been researching this for a long time and to me , the Roland and the Studiologic have the best keybed feel and the size is right for desktop production settings .

just my 2 cents..:)
That feedback is mega helpful for me, thank you! That solidifies what I've vaguely been considering. Guess I'll go try out both and see what I like.