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DIMENSION STRINGS I crossgrade to Synchron

fiestared

Vintage -but- not obsolete
Crossgrade Prices to Synchron

Crossgrade Price for registered users of Vienna Dimension Strings I Standard Library:
€245 through April 30, €295 after April 30, 2019

245€ :faint: not for me, this is simply extravagant ! I like their product, but this time, it's too much :shocked:
 

C-Wave

Senior Member
This is only if you have Dimension Strings standard version. The Synchronized version is equivalent to Dimension Strings full version. They had the same thing done to Dimension Brass.
 
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fiestared

fiestared

Vintage -but- not obsolete
This is only if you have Dimension Strings standard version. The Synchronized version is equivalent to Dimension Strings full version. They had the same thing done to Dimension Brass.
Thanks C-Wave, you're right, and my bad... So tonight, no dessert for me...:shocked:
 

Markus Kohlprath

Active Member
They write something about improved Legato transitions and other improvements. If anybody got his hands on it it would be great to hear how they turn out since dimension strings can be useful. But I don’t trust Vsl’s praises on their new products that much any more.
 

FriFlo

Senior Member
So, in a nutshell: what is the reason to buy a crossgrade? Someone who desperately wants to use those samples in the Synchron Player? Alright! But it doesn’t make to much sense, as the old player and especially VIpro is a lot more suited towards samples with just one mic position and has way more features. Well, some might like it more simple, ok!
But what about the other sales pitch of improved editing? Shouldn’t all users of DS be included in an update on the editing? Did VSL not promise years ago, that you will never pay again for the same sample content?
Please, VSL! It doesn’t make sense! Stop what your doing right now and rethink your marketing! You have already destroyed much of the good reputation you gathered over many years! The re-recordings of Synchron looks like the right sign. But the Synchronizing has to stop or at least change.
 

Cartoon

Member
So, in a nutshell: what is the reason to buy a crossgrade? Someone who desperately wants to use those samples in the Synchron Player? Alright! But it doesn’t make to much sense, as the old player and especially VIpro is a lot more suited towards samples with just one mic position and has way more features. Well, some might like it more simple, ok!
But what about the other sales pitch of improved editing? Shouldn’t all users of DS be included in an update on the editing? Did VSL not promise years ago, that you will never pay again for the same sample content?
Please, VSL! It doesn’t make sense! Stop what your doing right now and rethink your marketing! You have already destroyed much of the good reputation you gathered over many years! The re-recordings of Synchron looks like the right sign. But the Synchronizing has to stop or at least change.
There is a higher chance they hear your wish if you write it on VSL forums
 

muziksculp

Senior Member
A video tutorial showing the Synchronized Dim-Strings in action, and how to best use this library would be very helpful, and how it compares to the VI versions as far as workflow is concerned.
 
So, in a nutshell: what is the reason to buy a crossgrade? Someone who desperately wants to use those samples in the Synchron Player? Alright! But it doesn’t make to much sense, as the old player and especially VIpro is a lot more suited towards samples with just one mic position and has way more features. Well, some might like it more simple, ok!
But what about the other sales pitch of improved editing? Shouldn’t all users of DS be included in an update on the editing? Did VSL not promise years ago, that you will never pay again for the same sample content?
Please, VSL! It doesn’t make sense! Stop what your doing right now and rethink your marketing! You have already destroyed much of the good reputation you gathered over many years! The re-recordings of Synchron looks like the right sign. But the Synchronizing has to stop or at least change.
Thankfully there is a library update for the VI Pro version of DS that apparently contains the improvements they made for the Synchronized version.
 
My worry is that support for the Vienna Instruments Pro version will be dropped at some point.
I doubt that this will happen, because the Synchronized versions have baked in panning (even with impulse disabled). If they dropped VI Pro support, this would essentially render MIR Pro essentially useless for use with their own instruments... That would not be a sensible move.

That said, it would be good to have some communication from VSL about this, and the future of VI Pro, as it had been something I have been concerned about previously.

I still think that VI Pro is vastly superior to the Synchron player.
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
I doubt that this will happen, because the Synchronized versions have baked in panning (even with impulse disabled). If they dropped VI Pro support, this would essentially render MIR Pro essentially useless for use with their own instruments... That would not be a sensible move.

That said, it would be good to have some communication from VSL about this, and the future of VI Pro, as it had been something I have been concerned about previously.

I still think that VI Pro is vastly superior to the Synchron player.
I don't want to be a pill, but this Synchron player thing is a real frustration. I have a lot of projects that I might have to access at some point, so if I do update to the Synhron versions, I also have to keep the original versions, too. To be sure, VSL is not the only sample company that has done this, but it's a vast amount of stuff, and AFAIK, we really don't know about their future intentions.

Having invested heavily in VSL over the years, I'm also worried that if they don't have a few knock-it-out-of-the-park new products soon, they might not be around for long (and then I can put all that stuff up on the shelf with my Synclavier, Emu, Akai, and GigaStudio content). It's actually pretty amazing how so many once energetic and groundbreaking companies just fell of the map.
 

synergy543

Senior Member
So, in a nutshell: what is the reason to buy a crossgrade? Someone who desperately wants to use those samples in the Synchron Player? Alright! But it doesn’t make to much sense, as the old player and especially VIpro is a lot more suited towards samples with just one mic position and has way more features. Well, some might like it more simple, ok!
When you desire to use more than one mic position the Synchron Player makes good sense as its much easier to edit and adjust multiple mic positions. Also, the editing and performance controls are laid out with an easily controllable UI. However, as you say, if you're just interested in one mic position or multiple simultaneous articulations, VI-Pro is a good choice. Its nice that there are options, although the overhead and cost of supporting two platforms is certainly a costly burden for both VSL and its users so I share Lee's concerns.
 
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I don't want to be a pill, but this Synchron player thing is a real frustration. I have a lot of projects that I might have to access at some point, so if I do update to the Synhron versions, I also have to keep the original versions, too. To be sure, VSL is not the only sample company that has done this, but it's a vast amount of stuff, and AFAIK, we really don't know about their future intentions.
I totally agree, it's stupid that they have 2 copies of the same samples to use, essentially doubling the necessary storage space. IMO it would make much more sense for the Synchronized versions to use the panners and spatialisation within synchron player, instead of having it baked in to the samples. Then you would have the same functionality, with compatibility between the players. The current way they do it is a PITA.
 
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fiestared

fiestared

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I doubt that this will happen, because the Synchronized versions have baked in panning (even with impulse disabled). If they dropped VI Pro support, this would essentially render MIR Pro essentially useless for use with their own instruments... That would not be a sensible move.

That said, it would be good to have some communication from VSL about this, and the future of VI Pro, as it had been something I have been concerned about previously.

I still think that VI Pro is vastly superior to the Synchron player.
And AFAIK there is no sequencer in the Synchron app, a shame because sometimes it's very useful.
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
Vsl have painted themselves into a corner and we shall see what happens. For a long time they rode the wave of creating the most expensive and exclusive sample library ever made, and people with the funds bought it, myself included recently. They said don’t worry, you never have to pay for the same samples twice so the premium++ price is worth it and justified.

They also wanted to insist that because of their insane copy protection, dongle and licensing policies, their sample libraries were and are completely resellable, another justification for their premium++ price.

But eventually I think they sold about as many $10,000 copies of vsl std libraries that they were going to be able to sell at that price, especially since unlike many other libraries, it’s resellable. I’m sure they still sell some, they sold to me, but they needed to come up with something “new”

So then they made dimension brass and strings, appasionata strings and some other add on instruments and indoubtedly sold some of them, but some of the same problems as before, it’s resellable, and often so good that what can they come up with next?

At some point they made mirpro to complement all of their dry libraries, also not cheap for what it does. I love it but for many musicians it’s hard to get good results because you need to understand recording engineering pretty well in order to get good results.

So now vsl needs revenue to keep breathing as all companies do. They need something new again. They decided that an easier to use product that doesn’t require so much knowledge about audio engineering and deep midi tricks may be the thing that can bring in new users and revenue. So we have the synchron series currently evolving and we’ll see where it goes.

I do not think synchron will replace vipro as long as there is still revenue to be made from vipro they will keep selling it. They may or may not add any improvements to vipro unless they can see that doing so would bump up revenue. Synchron will attract new users to vsl undoubtedly and that’s what they are after. A few people that are already happily using vipro might make the leap over to synchron because they like the approach and Vsl should provide a reasonably priced path for that, but many will not. Vsl still has to figure out ways to get more revenue from existing std library customers beyond vep upgrades. Synchron is an improvement in some ways in terms of ease of use but it’s also a step down for power users of vipro. And for many reasons many of those people will not touch synchron anytime soon. But vsl needs revenue to survive as a business. So what can they do? More new instruments, maybe but the approach of appealing to new customers seeking a simpler workflow is not a bad move for the next decade. Hopefully they will continue to support the old plaform. If they stopped doing so I think it would destroy their reputation once and for all and be the end of vsl as a company, so I think they will and we don’t have anything to worry about until after 2030
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
VEP alone can more than keep VSL alive, so no worries there imo.
Do you really think so? As time goes on, I'm finding I have less and less desire to make big templates. With all the updates happening, it's a chore to keep the templates up to date. Plus, I'm feeling more and more as if templates get me in a rut. Back before SSD drives and fast computers, VEP templates used to be a necessity, because loading up a large orchestra took forever. But now, it's not such a big deal, because on top of everything else, the amount of data for buffers doesn't need to be that large. Right now, I'm using two 12 core trash cans, but I'm thinking that when the new Mac Pro comes out this year, I'll go down to one, single, fast machine, with a really fast SSD interface. And then, I'll just do all my template building right in Logic Pro X.

VEP used to be vital, and a huge time saver. But now, I'd just as soon be rid of it, if I could, and have fond memories of it, like analog tape. ;)
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
At some point they made mirpro to complement all of their dry libraries, also not cheap for what it does. I love it but for many musicians it’s hard to get good results because you need to understand recording engineering pretty well in order to get good results.
I own the MIR software. It's really quite an interesting product, and I'm sure they spend a huge amount of time developing it. It's an impressive product The amount of nuance its capable of managing is jaw dropping. Personally, though, I discovered that all that nuance really doesn't make that much difference in a final product for most of the things I do (which often sound pretty big). I could spend all day with a mix, making slight adjustments moving instruments around, pointing them in different directions, making mic selections, etc., etc., etc. Or, I could spend the day making two pieces of music instead of one, using sample libraries recorded with nice actual reverb in a room already recorded, and arguably have it sounding every bit as good as the highly adjusted and tweaked dry library within MIR.

Not to mention the fact that so often, projects are remixed from STEMs at some point down the line, and you don't want to go overboard slathering on reverb for those.

Other people's mileage might vary, but for me, MIR just isn't that practical.
 
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