Daw controller with faders for a composer

Discussion in 'GEAR Talk Forum' started by Mikko Heininen, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Gordon_hiphoplp

    Gordon_hiphoplp I am a visionary and doer...

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    Good luck, waiting for it to happen...
     
  2. Garlu

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    Does it mean it would be compatible with the newer Presonus Faderport 16 turned into a CC controller? :)
    Oh my... if that's the case... wallet, get ready!
     
  3. s_bettinzana

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    Yes, absolutely!
    You will also be able to use one/more buttons in your Faderport16 to immediately switch between the pass-through mode and the MIDIcc mode. So, at the press of one button, the Faderport16 will instantly switch between a HUI/Mackie_Control controller (for control of the DAW mixer) and a MIDIcc sender.

    There also is the DFader Control mode (check the current DFader documentation/description on our Web-Site).

    There will also be a preset recall/editing system to create/recall many user_defined presets (at the press of some buttons on the Faderport or mouse clicks): for example a MIDIcc mapping on the faders for Spitfire_Symph... and a preset for CSS ... or a mix between DFader_Control_Mode and MIDIcc ...

    It will also write the MIDIcc# (or a user defined string) on the HUI/Mackie_Control channel strip displays.

    Maybe that it will be available next week ... or a bit later to write a good User Guide (we aren't English mothertongue).
     
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  4. synthpunk

    synthpunk Senior Member

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    Sounds like this is going to help allot of people out!

     
  5. URL

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    is is possible to turn off motorized function for Faderport 16 in cc mode?
     
  6. s_bettinzana

    s_bettinzana Member

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    If you speak about Faderport16 only, I don't think that it has a native MIDIcc mode.

    If you speak about Faderport16 + DFader, the answer is YES, obviously; I couldn't imagine a MIDIcc mode with a motor driven fader.
     
  7. Gordon_hiphoplp

    Gordon_hiphoplp I am a visionary and doer...

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    DFader requires a dongle??? I dont think i can avail it in india, apart from it I already own 6 dongles, it would be painful to add one more, will have to think...
     
  8. s_bettinzana

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    In my company they know that a lot of potential users don't like it, but, yes, it needs an iLok dongle (iLok2 or iLok3).
    Do you have 6 dongles? Why? iLok? eLicenser? Other? Why so many? It is a bit off-topic, but I am curious.
     
  9. URL

    URL Senior Member

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    How does Dfader disconnect them, motorized faders?
     
  10. s_bettinzana

    s_bettinzana Member

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    OK ... thank you for the question ...

    DFader is a piece of SW with virtual in and out MIDI ports.
    The MIDI data from/to the motor_fader_controller and the MIDI data from/to the DAW are "captured", interpreted and "regenerated" by DFader. In other words it is a bi-directional smart bridge between the fader_controller and the DAW.
    The MIDI messages are "translated" by DFader according to the needed behaviour, including the delete of motor_move messages coming from the DAW to the fader_controller.
    If is a sort of smart "shell" around the fader_controller.

    Hope this helps!
     
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  11. URL

    URL Senior Member

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    ... that means that the motorized faders because they are "touch sensitive" already have a function that turns them off when drawing data that you then use for the MIDI cc data function - if I now understand everything right ...?

    edit:Ok I understand now-would be nice to see a youtube video about this:)
     
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  12. s_bettinzana

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    Now I don't know if I correctly understand you; anyway, what you describe (using the touch_sense to switch the motor off) is the trick used when you are drawing "regular automation". With "regular automation" I mean, for example, the automation of the virtual mixer fader of your DAW.

    In the case of MIDIcc, you don't have a feedback from the DAW regarding previously written data in a MIDI part (there are many discussions about this around the forums!). So, you neither have a MIDIcc data stream useful to move the physical fader. For this reason, when DFader is in MIDIcc mode, it switch the motor off, independently of any detected touch_sense signal.

    It is not easy to be explained if you don't know the HUI or Mackie_Control data stream, but I am more than glad to help you.

    OK!
     
  13. URL

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    I use Cubase 9.30/win10 Creative update suppose dfader is compatible with all daw?
     
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  14. s_bettinzana

    s_bettinzana Member

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    Yes, I have (and enjoy) Cubase too.
    It is DAW-agnostic.

    For Logic users, they should know how to set the "Environment". We can help, but in past we have seen that the Logic Environment is not very well-known. It is a very powerful but almost unknown tool, unfortunately.
     
  15. URL

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    Thanks for your answer!
     
  16. whinecellar

    whinecellar Jim Daneker

    Man, I have tried a LOT of controllers - I've never found one I truly loved that did everything I want. Finally just grabbed a Behringer X-Touch Compact, and I gotta say, it's pretty stellar - and darn near perfect for what we all do. I thought for $299 it would feel a bit cheesy, but not at all - it's built like a piece of pro studio hardware, IMO, Faders feel far better/smoother than the Mackies used to, and at least as good or better than the Avids. When in CC mode, the motors are bypassed, so it works great.

    And my word, you can assign CCs, notes, etc. to both moving and simply touching the faders. 39 assignable buttons, 16 knobs (each with separate turn and push assignments), all x2 layers - quite a beast of a controller! Already in love with the resolution of 100mm faders that feel silky smooth for all the CC rides I do.

    Only complaint is that it's pretty huge - far bigger than it should be. I love the form factor of the Icon Platform M, but the tons of QC reports scared me away. Still, for $700 or so, I'll grab one of these for MIDI CCs only along with the full X-Touch for Mackie Control. Finally real tactile control for a reasonable price!
     
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  17. URL

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    ...anyone tried Asparion D400T + D400F, a little pricey, but looks nice and compact?
     
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  18. Gordon_hiphoplp

    Gordon_hiphoplp I am a visionary and doer...

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    not sure of this one, not even available here in india, but I am willing to buy livid ds1, its rock solid metal chasis, with lots of encoders and great buttery faders without any resistance, its a great device to control midi cc, I don't need motorized faders and berhinger is crappy, looks really bad....
     
  19. tmhuud

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    Really? Have you tried a Behringer? I've been using the BCF2000 for years and I wouldn't trade it for anything. If it ever crashed out on me I would go for what Jim's gone for, the X-Touch.
     
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  20. Gordon_hiphoplp

    Gordon_hiphoplp I am a visionary and doer...

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    Yeah, it does the job well, one of my friend use it, you have to admit it looks crappy, and its only good for midi cc controlling as automated faders sucks, they are way too noisy and look at its size man it looks like an analog mixer from jupiter.. no matter what its something that i cant ever like lol(no offence berhinger users/fans) its just my personal thing.
     

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