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Sovereign

Senior Member
Well, it's better for the developer (and I am just throwing out #s here) to sell 2,000 copies @ $149 than to sell 4,000 copies @ $74.50.

Same money, less support.
That would be a rather flawed example as the idea is not to make the same amount of money, but to sell a lot more at a lower price (there is something called the law of demand in economics). So there's, in my opinion, a good reason to doubt their revenue model, especially since competitors (even small other boutique ones) seem to be able to do more for less. As for support, seems like a non-issue to me unless the product is so crappy there's a huge need for it. PS products are not crappy.
 

erica-grace

Senior Member
And how many more copies do you think they would sell at half the price point? 4x? 5x? I submit to you that that's not going to happen, regardless of what the sales figures are at the higher price point.
 

Sovereign

Senior Member
And how many more copies do you think they would sell at half the price point? 4x? 5x? I submit to you that that's not going to happen, regardless of what the sales figures are at the higher price point.
That depends, I have no global figures of string library sales, neither do you. But I do know one thing, which is basic economics, and that is that a higher price will result in lower demand. And at this point, it is way overpriced compared to other offerings (399 for the complete CSS, for example). And there's a good reason the others are priced that way, few people are going to plonk down $149 for not more than a single legato patch, period. Oh and hey, I don't even care about the price myself. I'm a string library whore, I'd buy them regardless even if I think they're overpriced.
 
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erica-grace

Senior Member
I have no global figures of string library sales, neither do you.
Correct!


Maybe some developers WANT lower demand. Especially if the money is going to be about the same. Higher demand does not always = more money. Maybe some developers know that their customers like the fact that not everyone has this library, that library. Maybe some developers aren't in it for the money.
 

ka00

Senior Member
Well, it's better for the developer (and I am just throwing out #s here) to sell 2,000 copies @ $149 than to sell 4,000 copies @ $74.50.

Same money, less support.
If a developer drastically cuts the price on a product and attracts let’s say for example twice as many new customers, then they just got the email address and attention of a whole slew of new customers who just might be persuaded over time to buy other items from the product line.

The first time I heard about spitfire was when I discovered the labs instruments. It was the amuse bouche that worked up my appetite for some EVOs, and then traditional string libraries and so on.
 

erica-grace

Senior Member
If a developer drastically cuts the price on a product and attracts let’s say for example twice as many new customers, then they just got the email address and attention of a whole slew of new customers who just might be persuaded over time to buy other items from the product line.
Right - but now most of these people are going to be expecting low-cost libraries from you from now on. And if you don't deliver - you have lost them. So you are now stuck with selling low cost libraries from that point forward?
 

jaketanner

Senior Member
Right - but now most of these people are going to be expecting low-cost libraries from you from now on. And if you don't deliver - you have lost them. So you are now stuck with selling low cost libraries from that point forward?
I don't think that $79 for ONE articulation per string instrument is "low-cost". I think it is more reasonable a price to pay for what you get. Yes..I know they're fantastic at what they do, but are they that much better? I mean it's one thing if we can actually build a damn string ensemble, but so far it's coming in drips and drabs. The price might be more attractive once there is a solid 4 instruments/ I did buy the Violin B and their Fluid Shorts...I am waiting for the viola...hopefully there will be a sale on the cellos at some point. People keep mentioning CSS, and I have it as well, and it's a close sound to PS...so it's a good base for comparison, as well as CSS is regarded as one of the best legato's on the market. So at $149, for one single articulation and instrument seems a bit off, especially since they aren't perfect. If there is no choice, and I really want the cello one day, I'll get it...
 

Vik

Scandi Member
The only real risk I see for Performance Samples here is that if they wait too long before releasing the viola and the Violin A, other companies may produce and sell a similar kind of library before PS can deliver what their users have been wanting to buy from them for quite some time now.
 

Tekkera

Member
Buy them on intro sale, or 50% sale and it is totally worth it. I use these all the time, especially for layering when I need a bit more detail or expressivity.

The difference between this and real string libraries, is that these are designed for one very specific purpose. And no other library will get it done as well as these can. These are not string libraries, these are for expanding your options where others fall flat.
 

chocobitz825

Senior Member
It is a lot to spend on an expansion pack essentially, but the shorts are always my go to. Also when I really want to add some beauty and weight to certain areas con moto just do something other libraries dont. Are they priced high/overpriced? Maybe, but at the same time, I’d say I’m getting my money’s worth.
 

Tekkera

Member
I never buy stuff not on sale unless it need it immediately. Not sure why others don't do the same. Performance samples has big intro sales and big sales overall
 

axb312

Senior Member
Well, it's better for the developer (and I am just throwing out #s here) to sell 2,000 copies @ $149 than to sell 4,000 copies @ $74.50.

Same money, less support.
Performance samples explicitly states in its EULA that customer support is not included.

And yes, the Con moto series is too expensive. No other way to look at it.
 

Vik

Scandi Member
And yes, the Con moto series is too expensive.
Personally, I'd rather pay more for a single instruments that I know I'm going to use than have to buy a full string library even if all I need from that library is one of the instruments, or only the shorts, or only a legato cello. And among the many sampled string sections I've heard, the Con Moto cello (and the CSS cello and V1, the Soaring Strings viola, the SCS V1 and some more) are among those who stick out as particularly playable and 'believable'.

Seen in that context, $150 isn't that bad (especially compared with buying a number of string libraries and ending up with only using one of the instruments). My guess is that more companies will start to sell single instruments, and that the price per instrument bought one by one will be higher if buying the whole section.
 

jaketanner

Senior Member
My guess is that more companies will start to sell single instruments, and that the price per instrument bought one by one will be higher if buying the whole section.
I have no issues with the one by one thing. OT is going that route I believe later this year, but I'll bet you it's not going to be limited to one articulation.

So you're not really buying a single instrument library, you're buying a single articulation, from a single instrument. I mean let's price out a solo instrument like Joshua Bell for instance. It's regarded as one of the best solo violin libraries out right? It's price is currently $199. It has 11 different articulations, and then a slew of different varieties of those articulations...something in total along the lines of 30+? now I am well aware that a single violin will cost less than hiring 8 musicians, and there is more time involved...but if they're just playing one articulation, how long could it possibly take in the studio? My point is that the price point may have worked years ago when choices were far less. I also appreciate that PS might be feeling that they're treading that elite status like Apple...where they can price a metal stand for $1k, but that's a whole different topic...LOL

I am also not taking anything away from Performance Samples with their incredible sound and playability that they achieve. But to price their cello at $149 in comparison only, is steep. Their intro price is totally fair, and that's when I buy. One can also argue that there are no comparisons, as PS is in a league of their own...and again, they may very well be. I truly truly love the sound of their recordings, but once I have all their instruments of the Con Moto series, I am still left with only one articulation, and using them only for legato. I have their Fluid Shorts...not the same recording or amount of players, so it's not like Fluid is the SHORT articulations that are missing.

What I am looking forward to however, is their joint venture with a Nashville chamber strings orchestra. Apparently it will be more complete...but that can take years.

For now, I can only hope that the cello goes on sale soon, and that they release the violas in a reasonable time.
 
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