Cinematic Studio Brass?

Consona

Senior Member
I've been needing a proper Woodwinds library for ages now. Still don't know whether to wait for CSW or just go for Spitfire Studio Winds or even Symphonic winds while they're on sale.
Your pieces with Cinewinds sound good so I'd wait for CSW. You can always buy other libraries on sale later in case CSW won't feel right to you.
 

Robert_G

Is that cake?
I've been needing a proper Woodwinds library for ages now. Still don't know whether to wait for CSW or just go for Spitfire Studio Winds or even Symphonic winds while they're on sale.
Ive had the spitfire studio woodwinds core for awhile now and they are really nice with the right reverb. That being said...the extra mics that come with pro make me want to upgrade for sure at the next sale. The programming for SSt WW is really good. Regardless...if CSW is even close to the quality CSB or CSS....ill buy it for sure.
 

I like music

Senior Member
I personally like both those libraries for certain situations. I have a good buddy that did an entire albums worth of piano for a pop artist using CSP and all parties were thrilled.

Each to his own I guess...
Also pretty sure that the piano only costs about the equivalent of a cheap night out, so I find it is a great product for the price.
 

cqd

Active Member
Yeah, the piano is ok..
I wouldn't be a fan of the solo strings either..
But I find, I got Cubase in the recent sale, and CSS is a completely different beast in Cubase vs pro tools.. No latency in Cubase.. unusable in pro tools..
Was hoping the woodwinds would be out by now..cracked and got the vsl see woodwinds to tide me over until CSWW..
 

Jonathan Moray

Professional Procrastinator
Is the legato delay in CSB the same as CSS?
and the shorts delay?
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.
 

paularthur

On Mars..
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.
I hear you!
Thank you sir, and my apologies if this was already asked/answered!
 

Pablocrespo

Active Member
I seem to recall also the legato update for css, maybe Alex could chine in here and tell us about the state this update is in?

I have buttons that move the different legato types in CSS I thought that the sale could be achieved with CSB?
 

Jonathan Moray

Professional Procrastinator
I seem to recall also the legato update for css, maybe Alex could chine in here and tell us about the state this update is in?

I have buttons that move the different legato types in CSS I thought that the sale could be achieved with CSB?
Yes. That's very much possible, at least in Cubase. But it would be more efficient if there was some coherency between the different sections and instruments. It's great that the fast legato is consistent, but it would be nice if all the legatos where -- then you could use the same button to move the notes.

Trumpets, Horns, and Violins 1 playing the same thing? Select all the notes and press the same bottom and they would all be in sync. Now you have to select each instrument and press individual buttons because they all use different legato speeds.
 

axb312

Senior Member
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.
The delay is different for the trumpets only. I believe all the other instruments have the same delay.
 

Jonathan Moray

Professional Procrastinator
The delay is different for the trumpets only. I believe all the other instruments have the same delay.
Sadly, no. Not from what's stated in the manual. I think Trumpets have the highest deviation and the other instruments have a lower deviation, but they all have slightly different timings to accommodate the nature of the instruments.

Although the difference is probably negligible for most cases.