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hbs100

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Hello, I am currently building a windows 10 computer dedicated to orchestral scoring

what do you think about it ? Any advice ? Will more RAM uprgade will be possible in near future ? Cooling performances ?

Thanks for your time
 

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EvilDragon

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Yes, you will be update RAM to 64 GB. There's also some talk about 9900K supporting up to 128 GB of RAM, but you'd need 32 GB modules for that, and see if that motherboard supports that.

I would suggest a Fractal Design case. Also that 1000W power supply is probably overkill, 750W Platinum should be perfectly fine, considering you don't have a graphics card in that list (and you don't need one because 9900K covers it decently for our purposes).

I also recommend getting Noctua NH-D15 cooler. It's a beast, but it's also quiet and cools really well, it can outperform many liquid cooling solutions. Should have no problems in getting that 9900K to work at 5 GHz across all cores.
 
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hbs100

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I wanted the noctua nh-d15 I just didn't find it in the list of that specific site ! Ok so it is indeed a better option !

power supply overkill ok! I am planning on adding a gpu for casual gaming in the future, but this is not the priority, is 750W still fine with that ?

Also I wasn't sure for the CPU choice, with the new AMD releases, I guess they are all fine...

So I won't be able to go past 64 GB ? My current empty template which is not even 1/2 of what I would like it to be is already 10 GB (without the purge function)

Thanks for your very fast response, it is really helpful

EDIT : correction : Noctua 15 isn't available because according to the website, it is not compatible with my build :o
 
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EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
I suppose D15 might have problems with the height of RAM you picked. Who knows, maybe that liquid cooler also performs well. Scroll through some reviews and compare how quiet it is compared to Noctua etc.

I suppose if you want to be absolutely sure with a graphics card update down the road, maybe 1kW is not a bad thing. But I would definitely recommend going for platinum labeled PSUs. Maybe 850W would suffice, too, if it's platinum. Do you plan to overclock?

Check the manual of the mobo you picked and see if they have UEFI updates that allow 128 GB of RAM total, or send a question to their support about that.
 

scoringdreams

Jack of All Trades, Master of Marketing
Invest in that RAM, it would help a lot in the long run.

+1 for Fractal Design cases, they are sick!
 

Robert_G

It really is just an expensive hobby for me
Buy a dedicated graphics card even if it sucks if you are using cubase. Cubase is known to have issues when using onboard graphics. The steinberg website even says to have a dedicated card. You can buy the cheapest one you want...just make sure you have one.
 

Damarus

Active Member
Also, you could probably save some money going with 3000mhz RAM. Someone else can chime in on their experience, but I don't think you will notice a substantial difference with faster RAM (for the price).

+2 for Fractal and Noctua
 

Robert_G

It really is just an expensive hobby for me
Also, you could probably save some money going with 3000mhz RAM. Someone else can chime in on their experience, but I don't think you will notice a substantial difference with faster RAM (for the price).

+2 for Fractal and Noctua
100% agree. You could do 2666. The amount of ram is what matters....not the speed
 

Quasar

Senior Member
If you're not in an extreme hurry, why not wait until AMD releases Ryzen 3 on July 7? The Ryzen 9 3900x (MSRP $499) is rumored to compare favorably with Intel's $1200 i9-9920X, though of course we won't know until it's out in the wild and real-world benchmarks for DAW use are performed.

Though it's always a bad time to build a computer because in 6 months the Next Great Thing will appear, IMO now is an especially good time to wait for a bit, if you can.
 

Damarus

Active Member
I think @EvilDragon touched on this in another thread, but it has something to do with with way AMD designed their processors that still makes them inferior to Intel for real-time audio applications. Looking forward to the ScanPro benchmarks.

AMD is giving Intel some competition, but I still see them as the budget gaming and video/rendering solution.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
Yep, due to NUMA latencies (since Zen cores are essentially multiple CPUs on a single chip), you cannot fully saturate the cores like you can on Intels, which means at lowest buffer sizes (64 samples) you can expect dropouts with CPU hitting around 70% or so. This is happening even on AMD's beefiest Threadripper (32 cores, 64 threads). Article here. Especially read the part about how they couldn't properly conduct the DAWbench VI test with Kontakt because it completely crapped out after dropouts started happening, etc. and accompanying assumption/explanation (which seems legit to me).

On the other hand, for "piano rollers", this is a non-issue since they can live with 256 or 512 samples buffer size easily... But I suspect most decent composers play in their stuff, so having low latency matters... And knowing that you cannot fully utilize your CPU at those lowest latencies is always going to hurt.
 
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JohnG

Senior Member
Yes, you will be update RAM to 64 GB. There's also some talk about 9900K supporting up to 128 GB of RAM, but you'd need 32 GB modules for that, and see if that motherboard supports that.

I would suggest a Fractal Design case. Also that 1000W power supply is probably overkill, 750W Platinum should be perfectly fine, considering you don't have a graphics card in that list (and you don't need one because 9900K covers it decently for our purposes).

I also recommend getting Noctua NH-D15 cooler. It's a beast, but it's also quiet and cools really well, it can outperform many liquid cooling solutions. Should have no problems in getting that 9900K to work at 5 GHz across all cores.
good advice.
 
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hbs100

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THANKS EVERYONE

So I have been taking your advices and updated the build


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So apparently in early July 2019 AMD is dropping not only the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X (500 $) (I don't use the live playing @EvilDragon)
but also X570 Motherboard with PCIe 4.0 that will allow new SSDs that have 5 GB/s speed

@Quasar Anyone have an idea about the pricing of the new motherboards x570?
In case the new SSDs are out of price, what SSD do you advice me for a full SSD setup in the meantime ?

Build should be 813 + CPU (500) = 1313e and then the rest will be for the motherboard and the SSD setup

EDIT :
Gigabyte will even launch a PCIe 4 adapter that can combine 4 nextgen SSDs to go up to 15 gb/s :o

THANKS again you provided a great help
 
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StillLife

Senior Member
THANKS EVERYONE

So I have been taking your advices and updated the build


View attachment 20550

So apparently in early July 2019 AMD is dropping not only the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X (500 $) (I don't use the live playing @EvilDragon)
but also X570 Motherboard with PCIe 4.0 that will allow new SSDs that have 5 GB/s speed

@Quasar Anyone have an idea about the pricing of the new motherboards x570?
In case the new SSDs are out of price, what SSD do you advice me for a full SSD setup in the meantime ?

Build should be 813 + CPU (500) = 1313e and then the rest will be for the motherboard and the SSD setup

EDIT :
Gigabyte will even launch a PCIe 4 adapter that can combine 4 nextgen SSDs to go up to 15 gb/s :o

THANKS again you provided a great help
I am in a simular situation (building a pc for music and some light gaming), and this thread is very helpfull. The only thing that remains a bit difficult for me is the choice of motherboard. I would like one with plenty (10+) usb ports, wifi/bluetooth, and good quality overall. But there are so many to choose from and I am having a hard time reading and understaning the specs. Cant even find out the number of usb ports... Anyone who has the perfect motherboard (socket 1151 - That I know) to recommend?
 

StillLife

Senior Member
Because I am afraid a hub is not as stable as an internal one. When I plug my Maschine Jam into a hub, it sometimes crashes. Never happened when I plug it into an internal one. Might be due to that specific hub, of course, I don't know.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
I suppose that would depend on how well the hub delivers power to the device (if you power the device through USB)... I have a bunch of stuff connected to my 10-port hub and nary an issue.
 

StillLife

Senior Member
I suppose that would depend on how well the hub delivers power to the device (if you power the device through USB)... I have a bunch of stuff connected to my 10-port hub and nary an issue.
Yes, that might be it. The Jam is powered through USB.
Do you have a MB to recommend, EvilDragon? I already have your cooler on my list.
 

EvilDragon

KSP Wizard
I don't, actually. I chose my motherboard 3 years ago, I don't wanna think about motherboards until my next machine, and when that happens, I'm gonna read the reviews before I decide. Worth going for tomshardware and anandtech reviews.

I chose an AsRock mobo and it's been decent. Not the best overclocker, but it does keep my i7-6700K at a constant 4.5 GHz all-core overclock and everyrthing is stable.
 

StillLife

Senior Member
I don't, actually. I chose my motherboard 3 years ago, I don't wanna think about motherboards until my next machine, and when that happens, I'm gonna read the reviews before I decide. Worth going for tomshardware and anandtech reviews.

I chose an AsRock mobo and it's been decent. Not the best overclocker, but it does keep my i7-6700K at a constant 4.5 GHz all-core overclock and everyrthing is stable.
Thanks, will go there!
 
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