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axb312

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A way better build for you:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7c6FzY


-The Noctua NH-D15 is better as you can see in the charts
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8842/quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

-Thermal Paste Round-up: 85 Products Tested
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-comparison,5108-11.html

-The Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO got better VRM and you can add a Thunderbolt card later.
https://be.hardware.info/reviews/8855/14/23-intel-z390-moederborden-review-+-vrm-test-welk-bord-is-echt-8-core-waardig-benchmarks-vrm-test

-Faster and cheaper RAM

-One 2TB NVMe SSD is way faster than 2 SATA, so you can install
all there with no performance loss, you can create 2 partitions
in the big NVMe SSD, one small for the OS/Programs and one big
for the rest. The Corsair MP510 is fast, got big endurance and
good price.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_force_series_mp510_m_2_ssd_review,1.html

-For audio workloads I prefer AMD GPUs, see why
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1212416-dpc-latency-better-amd-graphic-cards-3-card-comparison.html

-An excellent ventilated case with USB-C port
https://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/usb-type-c-everything-you-need-to-know-2932202
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3177-fractal-define-r6-case-review-mid-tower

BTW, now it is not the time, wait just a bit because AMD is launching new CPUs
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-and-ryzen-7-3700x-cpu-benchmark-3dmark-leak/
This means Intel will lower the current prices and the new AMD CPUs may be better
or equal and less expense than the Intel options.
Thank you!

I did read that Intel is planning a price cut for the 9900k and am waiting. Also haven't found a buyer for my current rig yet.
https://www.techspot.com/news/80614-report-intel-cut-desktop-cpu-prices-10-15.html

Regarding SSDs, I currently have a 1 tB SATA SSD, could probably use this as the system drive and use the 2TB NvMe drive for samples yes?
 
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Desire Inspires

To the stars through desire....
I often ask myself this same question, especially when I listen to compositions(midi compositions) from great composers that had much less access to the tools that are even commonplace now. Nevertheless, I'm currently faced with the situation of needing to upgrade from Win7 to Win10 and really don't want to go through all of that pain only to have to do it again because I may decide I need to upgrade hardware later on, therefore I've decided that while I do my upgrade to Win10(which I can still do for free before the end of the year) that I will take the opportunity to just upgrade the whole system as well. Still, I look at the money I'm spending and wonder what type of lessons are currently available that I could be investing in.
Yeah, I understand.

I am deciding on whether to get a bigger and better laptop (nothing insane like what you are getting) or to get a slightly improved laptop and then but some courses.

Honestly, I think the hardware upgrades are the first priority. Adding that extra RAM or getting an SSD drive could make a lot of difference in the long term. A machine should last at least 5 years or so. I am almost at 6 years with my current setup and I can feel the aging of the system.
 

Pictus

Member
I was actually wondering if it was possible to have a 2.5" SATA SSD as the boot drive and 2 1TB M2 Pcie SSDs for samples. Are there any restrictions on which drive has to be the boot drive?
No restriction for boot drive, but with two NVMe(PCIe) SSDs we lost two SATA ports, check
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_z390-aorus-pro_wifi_1001_190219_e.pdf


Also, thoughts on swapping cases to for eg., this one -
NZXT H500?
From what I remember the NZXT do not have USB-C, check:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3309-nzxt-h500-case-review-thermals-noise-vs-s340
and
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3397-best-and-worst-pc-cases-of-2018
 
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axb312

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Looks like we can still use 4 SATA drives, which is probably more than I'll ever need.

Thanks for all the help!
 

StillLife

Senior Member
Really appreciating your replies to these threads, Pictus!

Any opinions about the Intel 660p SSD? 209 euro's for 2tb seems too good to be true, but I've read some positive reviews. Maybe writing speed isn't the best (and writing seems to wear out the SSD a bit faster than with other SSD's) but if I use it for storing sample libraries that shouldn't be a problem, I think.
 

StillLife

Senior Member
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the use of Thermal Paste with an i9 9900k? I read and saw reviews that said that 'finally' you wouldn't need that paste with this chip. Or did I misunderstood?
 
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axb312

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Forgive my ignorance, but what's the use of Thermal Paste with an i9 9900k? I read and saw reviews that said that 'finally' you wouldn't need that paste with this chip. Or did I misunderstood?
You always need thermal paste between the CPU and the cooler.
 
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axb312

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Ah, o.k., I misunderstood then. Does the Thermal Paste come with the cooler (Noctua d15 in my case) or do you have to buy it seperately?
The Noctua NH-D15 typically comes with thermal paste. Please check the box contents from wherever you're ordering.
 

StillLife

Senior Member
Ah, thanks.

I am still researching the parts of my build, and now I am a little bit concerned with heat... Some reviewers mention the I9 9900 (which I was certain to get up until today) gets very hot, even with very good coolers (I plan to get the Noctua d15). As my studio is in a room that can get pretty hot in summer, I wonder if I should go AMD 3700 then. However, I am a bit weary to leave the intel camp, as I had plenty of compatibility issues in the (distant) past with AMD. Getting the 9900k therefore 'feels' better to me (if it wasn't for the heat issue - if that's true). Oh, and I do not plan to OC the 9900k.
Any advice?
 
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kenose

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Ah, thanks.

I am still researching the parts of my build, and now I am a little bit concerned with heat... Some reviewers mention the I9 9900 (which I was certain to get up until today) gets very hot, even with very good coolers (I plan to get the Noctua d15). As my studio is in a room that can get pretty hot in summer, I wonder if I should go AMD 3700 then. However, I am a bit weary to leave the intel camp, as I had plenty of compatibility issues in the (distant) past with AMD. Getting the 9900k therefore 'feels' better to me (if it wasn't for the heat issue - if that's true). Oh, and I do not plan to OC the 9900k.
Any advice?
The d15 is one of the best air coolers you can buy, it will have no issues handling the 9900k— even with a small overclock.
 

StillLife

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I am now contemplating to add a Toshiba n300 spinning drive (6tb) for media storage. It's 151 euro's. However, it is advertised as a NAS drive, so I am not sure it will be a good idea to use it in a regular pc.
Anyway, it seems my (almost final?) build is now:

I9 9900k
Gigabyte Designare motherboard
64 gb Corsair vengeance LPX memory
Corsair RM850x power
Intel 660p 2tb m2 (x2) - I assume the Designare supports nvme?
Toshiba N300 6tb
Noctua DH-15 cooler
Asus bw-16d1ht BluRay burner
Fractal Design Refine R6 + usb C (White)
Gigabyte GeForce gtx 1050ti
Totals for 2168 euro (might be a few euro's cheaper if I'd shop around).

I also need a Firewire card for my Steinberg MR816 audio interface, but I reckon I can transfer the card from my old PC to this new one.

As the recommended Corsair Force mp510 is out of stock everywhere in the Netherlands, I decided to get 2 Intel 660p's. As I understand from the reviews, they should be fine for WIndows, programs, games, and Sample libraries. All media files and all Office files that I have to access a lot will be on the Toshiba drive, I think. Probably project files from Cubase / Maschine also.

Still, any advice?
 
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Pictus

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I am now contemplating to add a Toshiba n300 spinning drive (6tb) for media storage. It's 151 euro's. However, it is advertised as a NAS drive, so I am not sure it will be a good idea to use it in a regular pc.
Anyway, it seems my (almost final?) build is now:
No problem to use a NAS drive in the desktop, if I am not mistaken the main difference in the
drive firmware(may have hardware differences) is that the NAS drive does less retries in case of a
disk surface problem and quick mark it as a bad block whereas a desktop drive will try to retry
many, many times and this behavior is bad for the RAID controller.

For backup I like to use stuff like the ICY DOCK DuoSwap MB971SP-B

Intel 660p 2tb m2 (x2) - I assume the Designare supports nvme?
The Z390 Designare supports.
Gigabyte GeForce gtx 1050ti
I prefer AMD https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=394,420,416,395,392&sort=price&page=1
See why at https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1212416-dpc-latency-better-amd-graphic-cards-3-card-comparison.html
Totals for 2168 euro (might be a few euro's cheaper if I'd shop around).

I also need a Firewire card for my Steinberg MR816 audio interface, but I reckon I can transfer the card from my old PC to this new one.
Get a PCIe Firewire card with TI XIO2213B chipset, like this one

As the recommended Corsair Force mp510 is out of stock everywhere in the Netherlands, I decided to get 2 Intel 660p's. As I understand from the reviews, they should be fine for WIndows, programs, games, and Sample libraries. All media files and all Office files that I have to access a lot will be on the Toshiba drive, I think. Probably project files from Cubase / Maschine also.

Still, any advice?
For storage drive/reading only I see no problem for the Intel 660p, but for BOOT or a drive where
we write stuff I do not consider a good idea because they are slow and I do not trust QLC SSD yet...
The Corsair MP510 is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better, you can get one here
 
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StillLife

Senior Member
No problem to use a NAS drive in the desktop, if I am not mistaken the main difference in the
drive firmware(may have hardware differences) is that the NAS drive does less retries in case of a
disk surface problem and quick mark it as a bad block whereas a desktop drive will try to retry
many, many times and this behavior is bad for the RAID controller.

For backup I like to use stuff like the ICY DOCK DuoSwap MB971SP-B



The Z390 Designare supports.

I prefer AMD https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=394,420,416,395,392&sort=price&page=1
See why at https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1212416-dpc-latency-better-amd-graphic-cards-3-card-comparison.html

Get a PCIe Firewire card with TI XIO2213B chipset, like this one



For storage drive/reading only I see no problem for the Intel 660p, but for BOOT or a drive where
we write stuff I do not consider a good idea because they are slow and I do not trust QLC SSD yet...
The Corsair MP510 is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better, you can get one here
Great, thanks!
Since the Designare has a Thunderbolt 3 port, could I not use a FW to TB3 adapter and connect my interface in that way?
 
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