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Bohemian Series Expansions Thread, Violin Expansion 2 Improv Video

midiman

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Can we delete the previous file that we were using? Bohemian Violin 48Khz.ufs, and use just the new Bohemian_Violin_V3.ufs ? or Does the previous file need to remain there?
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

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Can we delete the previous file that we were using? Bohemian Violin 48Khz.ufs, and use just the new Bohemian_Violin_V3.ufs ?
Yes, but if you have old projects that you still need to work on It might not be the best solution. Old projects will call on the old UFS and you would have to reconnect to the new version. For as long as you need to work on old projects using the old version I would recommend keeping the old version. Once you are done on old projects you can remove the old version without any need for manual reloading of the instrument. Alternatively you can simply manually load the new version in the old projects. We made sure that the two versions can coexist and it is up to the user if they still have a need for the old version.
 

midiman

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Yes, but if you have old projects that you still need to work on It might not be the best solution. Old projects will call on the old UFS and you would have to reconnect to the new version. For as long as you need to work on old projects using the old version I would recommend keeping the old version. Once you are done on old projects you can remove the old version without any need for manual reloading of the instrument. Alternatively you can simply manually load the new version in the old projects. We made sure that the two versions can coexist and it is up to the user if they still have a need for the old version.
Got it! Crystal clear. Thanks so much. Look forward to working with the new version.
 

tack

Damned Dirty Ape
[I posted this on TSB but thought I might share here too. Sorry about the crosspost.]

I thought I would exercise the Bohemian's rebowing with the melody from the Band of Brothers theme. This is performed in live, and then tweaked later in terms of additional keyswitches to influence the Performer (usually to force a longer rebow). Reverb is Pro-R.

I think it did quite well. The live performance was already quite musical, and the added tweaking was to squeeze out a bit of extra finesse. I do find that there is quite an overpowering scratchy rosiny undertone characteristic of closely miced violins, especially in the upper registers. Consequently I've produced two versions, one without eq and one with a pretty heavy automated high pass filter.

Without EQ: https://helix.urandom.ca/public/bohemian-bob.mp3
With EQ: https://helix.urandom.ca/public/bohemian-bob-eq.mp3

The main problem I hear that will be difficult to treat in post-processing is the degree to which some of the notes differ in timbre as they're rebowed. This is particularly apparent with the Ab from 0:35-0:39. It still sounds musical, which is the most important thing, but it pretty abruptly breaks the illusion. On the flip side, it took that grace note at 0:41 like a boss.

Still, this is a great expansion, and the best part is that since I already own the Bohemian I paid $0 for it. :)
 

Rob Elliott

Senior Member
Wonderful update - puts it in its own league now. That's saying a lot with the 'other' vln VI based on a famous player. :) So hoping this 'treatment' applied to the cello makes that one more useable here. While the tone and playability of this violin is outstanding I am less in love with the player used on the cello library - but perhaps with all these similar options that one will find its way on more projects as well. ;) Again - outstanding update of the violin. Now will be my go-to.
 

jneebz

Senior Member
This is particularly apparent with the Ab from 0:35-0:39.
Man, you're right. That's actually a bummer...it not only changes timbre but sounds kinda synthy. Hoping that's limited to a few samples....Oh well, like you said, still a great update.
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

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[I posted this on TSB but thought I might share here too. Sorry about the crosspost.]

The main problem I hear that will be difficult to treat in post-processing is the degree to which some of the notes differ in timbre as they're rebowed. This is particularly apparent with the Ab from 0:35-0:39. It still sounds musical, which is the most important thing, but it pretty abruptly breaks the illusion. On the flip side, it took that grace note at 0:41 like a boss.

Still, this is a great expansion, and the best part is that since I already own the Bohemian I paid $0 for it. :)

Hi Tack,

Personally to me it sounds still natural. Timber of the rebow is dependent on both the string position ( performer tries to match it 100%, but in some points it can be difficult to match it 100% as it can be in a region where it is harder to predict where the melody will go, but also there is a natural difference in timber between up bow and down bow which can be most noticeable right after bow change. Normally this difference is nominal, but in some cases it can be more pronounced as they are captured as part of a performance, so this can happen in a very limited amount. However the main advantage is that you still have all the other bow variations, you could try to use Mid Arc or Sustain depending on the needs and decide if one of the alternatives sound better to you. For EXP3 we can look into ways to add even more control for re-bowing as there is so much that one can do while rebowing, but there is already plenty of ways to approach phrases in current version :)

I'm really happy to hear that now we are discussing true nuances of performance :)

Hope that helps and
Wonderful update - puts it in its own league now. That's saying a lot with the 'other' vln VI based on a famous player. :) So hoping this 'treatment' applied to the cello makes that one more useable here. While the tone and playability of this violin is outstanding I am less in love with the player used on the cello library - but perhaps with all these similar options that one will find its way on more projects as well. ;) Again - outstanding update of the violin. Now will be my go-to.
Thanks Rob, we will aim to make sure that the cello enjoys the same treatment as the violin and I hope that the cello pops to your go-to list too after the update as well :)
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

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Sounds amazing!

Just one thing - I cant get tremolo to work at all
Hi Simon, Tremolo must be played really fast. I mean true tremolo speed. You might have to sequence that in a DAW as it will engage only once it reaches the speeds of tremolo and depending on the speed of your Key Return on your keyboard it might be hard to play. Different moods engage tremolo sooner or later. Improv will use it only if you actually reach the speed of tremolo. Czardas and Concertino will engage Tremolo slightly sooner ( ie easier to achieve on live keyboard) but it must still be really fast rebows. At this point we have added this type of tremolo and in EXP3 we can add normal style force on tremolo as well as the EXP3 is about the extended articulations and what ever else you manage to come up with and we manage to implement, but if you make sure that you have a sequence of really fast midi in your DAW in tremolo speed (in case the keyboard doesn't return fast enough for piano tremolo) you will see that tremolo activates :)
 

SimonCharlesHanna

Senior Member
Hi Simon, Tremolo must be played really fast. I mean true tremolo speed. You might have to sequence that in a DAW as it will engage only once it reaches the speeds of tremolo and depending on the speed of your Key Return on your keyboard it might be hard to play. Different moods engage tremolo sooner or later. Improv will use it only if you actually reach the speed of tremolo. Czardas and Concertino will engage Tremolo slightly sooner ( ie easier to achieve on live keyboard) but it must still be really fast rebows. At this point we have added this type of tremolo and in EXP3 we can add normal style force on tremolo as well as the EXP3 is about the extended articulations and what ever else you manage to come up with and we manage to implement, but if you make sure that you have a sequence of really fast midi in your DAW in tremolo speed (in case the keyboard doesn't return fast enough for piano tremolo) you will see that tremolo activates :)
LOL I had it for a second

my arm hurts now.
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

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LOL I had it for a second

my arm hurts now.
:rofl: It is lot easier to sequence the tremolo. Playing tremolo on piano is not the easiest unless there is a really good key return action, but as at this point we have performable tremolo, if it engages too early it would be destructive to normal composing, so hence the requirement for tremolo speed
 

SoNowWhat?

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I'm getting an unusual really loud held sustain on the highest G (G5) note in Improv. Not tried with other styles yet. Is this just me? I've adjusted octaves on my controller and get the same response. I know i have a dodge G key on my controller but this happens on all my G keys. Even if I enter that note manually in my DAW sequencer I get the same response. Not related to or responsive to velocity or mod wheel. It will only fade once I play some (more than one) subsequent notes and I guess the legato function stops using that sample.

Can anyone else repeat this on their systems or is it just me?

Edit - tried with other styles and get the same response apart from the Concertino.

Edit edit - I should say that apart from this one thing it sounds brilliant.
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

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I can not replicate the issue, Are you using the newest most up to date version of UVi Workstation? Otherwise I can not replicate the issue. If you continue having the issue please contact our support and we can look into it, but there are no issues reported so far and already hundreds of users have it, so I would expect to be hear about things like this. Most important is to update the UVI Workstation.
 

SoNowWhat?

realised I can type here
I can not replicate the issue, Are you using the newest most up to date version of UVi Workstation? Otherwise I can not replicate the issue. If you continue having the issue please contact our support and we can look into it, but there are no issues reported so far and already hundreds of users have it, so I would expect to be hear about things like this. Most important is to update the UVI Workstation.
Thanks for checking. I will check my version of Workstation (and may try to uncompress the download again). If none of that solves the problem I will log a ticket with support. Been playing some more in the meantime and it really does sound amazing. Very happy.

Edit - updated UVI workstation (if in doubt read the instructions, sorry) and in standalone I'm not getting the problem. Will check in DAW now. Thank you Virharmonic.

Edit edit - And works as expected in DAW now too following update to latest UVI player.
 
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Ryan99

Senior Member
I have a problem when I try loading the newest version, either in Falcon or UVI Workstation (updated also to the latest version). I get a message "loading samples" with an spiraling arrow beside this message and it won't go away. I can't access the options in the window because of this message. Anyone can help? Thanks.
 
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Virharmonic

Virharmonic

Senior Member
I have a problem when I try loading the newest version, either in Falcon or UVI Workstation (updated also to the latest version). I get a message "loading samples" with an spiraling arrow beside this message and it won't go away. I can't access the options in the window because of this message. Anyone can help? Thanks.
Hi Ryan Please update UVI to the newest version and please make sure that the plugin is connected to your audio. The only time UVI GUI will not respond is if it is not connected to audio. To check if it is audio connection please click effects tab in UVI and then back to edit. If the DAW is causing an issue this should fix it. If the issue persist please contact our support and we can investigate your exact setup and assist you further
 

michelsimons

Active Member
I messed around with it yesterday and even I, as an extremely incompetent keyboard player, managed to get a reasonably good result (imho of course). I am glad I got aboard a couple of years ago. A great instrument.
 
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