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Best DAW - Leaving Ableton Behind

MartinH.

Senior Member
The only issue I have with Ableton Live is the unecessary GPU use they seem to ignore/omit for no reason. I asked their tech support if they'd fix it in the next iterations (I can easily wait for it), but their attitude rubbed me off the wrong way. They said they couldn't disclose the information (as if it was top secret?). Instead they told me to create an options.txt file to DIY fix my own issue. I literally laughed at it, but then I thought about it and told myself: "What? Why can't they at least give me an idea about what they're up to?". If they keep being secretive about it, that's ok. I'll just sell my push controller and go Bitwig.
Do you think they're secretly farming crypto currencies on your GPU and only tell the people who notice the GPU load how it can be turned off?
 

Hasici

New Member
Right now may be the best time ever to buy cubase pro as they have 50% deal and if you have any of those DAWS that are eligible for crossgrade (like ableton) it is $170 for the PRO. Which is a steal.

The PRO requires dongle. I tried the Elements for a day or so and really it was a hit for me - so spent $170 on the PRO.
I do actually prefer the dongle than some complicated licensing schemes that require constant internet connections and limits the amount of installations. With the dongle I can install PRO on any computer I want, both PC or MAC without internet and then just plug the dongle and work there. You can even install it on client computer or bring it to a studio.
When you think about it the dongle makes it actually easier for the end user than some software lock that counts your installations, fingerprints your harware, checks for IP addresses etc... it is really painless and transparent. All you need is to carry the USB dongle with you that has all your steinberg licenses.
 

bvaughn0402

Active Member
If you have a Mac, I don't think you can beat Logic Pro for $200. No dongle, and lots of amazing features. Perfect? Naw.

You'll notice most of the SpitFire guys use it all the time. Some will port into ProTools to mix, but I'm not sure why ... maybe because if they pay people to mix it, that is their preferred tool.

Then you have many on here (including Hans) who push Cubase ... probably due to the fact they can build huge templates in them without taxing CPU.

I've heard rumors though that Logic plans on addressing these issues soon.

And there is a large support for Reaper.

When I was on PC I used Cakewalk a lot, then Studio 1.
 

Hasici

New Member
On mac I would likely go logic pro as well.... for the money it is unbeatable. But funny how I changed my tune lately: previously it was mac os over bloated windows. Now I am not sure anymore who is the bloated one...
 

paulmatthew

Senior Member
I have recently left Ableton as well. They have not done enough with the DAW over the last 4 versions to make me want to stay with it not to mention the startup of Ableton was hardly ever a good experience or the crashes. I have 4 DAWs now , gas gas gas , but I am now with Logic Pro and I like it so far. I also have Cubase 9.5 and Studio One 4. I prefer Studio One to Cubase , but that's just my taste. One thing to consider is that Logic is $200 , and I think the updates are free. Steinberg charges for what seems like every full and .5 update they release which can be costly if you update every time ( currently 9.5 - 10 would be $99 if not for the 50% off sale) . Presonus only charges for major updates when they go to the next full version of Studio One , all other updates are free that I have seen since Studio One 3.5. Studio One is quickly gaining ground on the other DAWs available and have already won over a lot of users from other DAWs. It's a tough choice to make when switching your preferred workstation but going from Ableton to another I can say that Studio One would be an easier jump for you than say Logic Pro or Cubase. I hear Reaper is a great option too , but have never given it a whirl even though it is probably the most affordable ones on the market. Also , no dongle required for Reaper, Logic or Studio One.
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
I have recently left Ableton as well. They have not done enough with the DAW over the last 4 versions to make me want to stay with it not to mention the startup of Ableton was hardly ever a good experience or the crashes. I have 4 DAWs now , gas gas gas , but I am now with Logic Pro and I like it so far. I also have Cubase 9.5 and Studio One 4. I prefer Studio One to Cubase , but that's just my taste. One thing to consider is that Logic is $200 , and I think the updates are free. Steinberg charges for what seems like every full and .5 update they release which can be costly if you update every time ( currently 9.5 - 10 would be $99 if not for the 50% off sale) . Presonus only charges for major updates when they go to the next full version of Studio One , all other updates are free that I have seen since Studio One 3.5. Studio One is quickly gaining ground on the other DAWs available and have already won over a lot of users from other DAWs. It's a tough choice to make when switching your preferred workstation but going from Ableton to another I can say that Studio One would be an easier jump for you than say Logic Pro or Cubase. I hear Reaper is a great option too , but have never given it a whirl even though it is probably the most affordable ones on the market. Also , no dongle required for Reaper, Logic or Studio One.
Only 4 DAWs? I'm embarrassed to tell how many. If I had a Mac I'd probably only use Logic. I still like Live but I'm done with Suite upgrades. Too pricey for very little.
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
Right now may be the best time ever to buy cubase pro as they have 50% deal and if you have any of those DAWS that are eligible for crossgrade (like ableton) it is $170 for the PRO. Which is a steal.

The PRO requires dongle. I tried the Elements for a day or so and really it was a hit for me - so spent $170 on the PRO.
I do actually prefer the dongle than some complicated licensing schemes that require constant internet connections and limits the amount of installations. With the dongle I can install PRO on any computer I want, both PC or MAC without internet and then just plug the dongle and work there. You can even install it on client computer or bring it to a studio.
When you think about it the dongle makes it actually easier for the end user than some software lock that counts your installations, fingerprints your harware, checks for IP addresses etc... it is really painless and transparent. All you need is to carry the USB dongle with you that has all your steinberg licenses.
Then when you lose that dongle.......oh my.
 

Shad0wLandsUK

Senior Member
Then you buy another one. I broke up my car key lately. Shit happens but it's possible to survive.
Exactly :)
I don't really see the issue with the dongle. I have Pro Tools that requires one, EastWest, Cubase, VE Pro and SoundToys. Never had issues with any of them. And as soon as one would get a little damaged I would buy another. Not a big deal for a £30 that holds ££££s worth of licenses on it
 

paulmatthew

Senior Member
Exactly :)
I don't really see the issue with the dongle. I have Pro Tools that requires one, EastWest, Cubase, VE Pro and SoundToys. Never had issues with any of them. And as soon as one would get a little damaged I would buy another. Not a big deal for a £30 that holds ££££s worth of licenses on it
The dongle isn't bad. The Steinberg dongle works for Vienna instruments and REFX so its a win win sometimes.
Only 4 DAWs? I'm embarrassed to tell how many. If I had a Mac I'd probably only use Logic. I still like Live but I'm done with Suite upgrades. Too pricey for very little.
Yes , the suite upgrades are a pricey for not getting much out of them personally. I find it very odd and unfair to their consumers too, that the standard version does come with a sampler as most DAW do. They have simpler but sampler is in suite only , WTH.
 

Tim_Wells

Tim Wells
I think the question is, what's wrong with Ableton? For me, switching DAWs is a real productivity killer. I need a damn good reason to do it.
 

paulmatthew

Senior Member
I think the question is, what's wrong with Ableton? For me, switching DAWs is a real productivity killer. I need a damn good reason to do it.
Personally , I had terrible startup times with nothing loaded and crashes almost daily. Fresh Ableton installs would work great for about 2-3 weeks then back to the same thing. Never had these issues with Cubase, Studio One, or Logic Pro on the same machine. Their CPU usage does not seem to be as good compared to other DAWs and setting up templates is not as user friendly as Cubase , Logic Pro , or Studio One. Ableton still does not let you create multiple tracks at once. It is geared toward djs and electronic producers which is very apparent after years of use. It has plenty of great things to offer like their warping engine (it's the cat's meow) and the Clip view for Live performances is great. For orchestral or rock producers it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Then you have many on here (including Hans) who push Cubase ... probably due to the fact they can build huge templates in them without taxing CPU.

I've heard rumors though that Logic plans on addressing these issues soon.
I popped some virtual popcorn before looking at this thread, feeling confident that it was the same discussion I’ve seen a million times already. But then you went and said this: “I've heard rumors though that Logic plans on addressing these issues soon.”

HUH? WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? :elephant:

I’d really appreciate any more details you can share about the source and details of these rumors. I’m currently stressing Logic Pro X to the limit with my 280 track template. It takes about four to five minutes to load and takes a full minute to start playing the first time I press Play (only the first time … after that it is fine). And this is on a 10-core iMac Pro, for goodness sakes. So reading the words that Logic might soon be addressing its limitations with large templates makes the words appear sort of surrounded by a throbbing, angelic golden glow to me.
 

Bansaw

Sound Design
A good DAW to test out is Reaper.
For me personally , its very stable software, and I've never had it squeak yet no matter how many tracks I lay down. I get the impression its programmed well; hardly ever crashes.
Updates are regular and there's some nice actions and third-party addons, themes etc, in the community.
Price is right.
The only negative for me would be the fact that I'm not keen on the stock plugins.
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
Exactly :)
I don't really see the issue with the dongle. I have Pro Tools that requires one, EastWest, Cubase, VE Pro and SoundToys. Never had issues with any of them. And as soon as one would get a little damaged I would buy another. Not a big deal for a £30 that holds ££££s worth of licenses on it
Many iLok products allow for software authorization and more than one machine. As for eLicenser read the VSL policy. Dongles are nice for hassle free activation.
 
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