Best DAW - Leaving Ableton Behind

Discussion in 'Your DAW (Digital Audio Workstation)' started by tsk, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. Zoot_Rollo

    Zoot_Rollo Throbbing Member

    Jul 1, 2016
    Reaper is the DAW Vegan.

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  2. MartinH.

    MartinH. Senior Member

    Jun 16, 2018
    Do you think they're secretly farming crypto currencies on your GPU and only tell the people who notice the GPU load how it can be turned off?
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  3. pottering

    pottering New Member

    Apr 7, 2015
    That's testable, people can check those things.
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  4. Hasici

    Hasici New Member

    Apr 4, 2019
    Right now may be the best time ever to buy cubase pro as they have 50% deal and if you have any of those DAWS that are eligible for crossgrade (like ableton) it is $170 for the PRO. Which is a steal.

    The PRO requires dongle. I tried the Elements for a day or so and really it was a hit for me - so spent $170 on the PRO.
    I do actually prefer the dongle than some complicated licensing schemes that require constant internet connections and limits the amount of installations. With the dongle I can install PRO on any computer I want, both PC or MAC without internet and then just plug the dongle and work there. You can even install it on client computer or bring it to a studio.
    When you think about it the dongle makes it actually easier for the end user than some software lock that counts your installations, fingerprints your harware, checks for IP addresses etc... it is really painless and transparent. All you need is to carry the USB dongle with you that has all your steinberg licenses.
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  5. bvaughn0402

    bvaughn0402 Active Member

    Feb 27, 2016
    Austin, TX
    If you have a Mac, I don't think you can beat Logic Pro for $200. No dongle, and lots of amazing features. Perfect? Naw.

    You'll notice most of the SpitFire guys use it all the time. Some will port into ProTools to mix, but I'm not sure why ... maybe because if they pay people to mix it, that is their preferred tool.

    Then you have many on here (including Hans) who push Cubase ... probably due to the fact they can build huge templates in them without taxing CPU.

    I've heard rumors though that Logic plans on addressing these issues soon.

    And there is a large support for Reaper.

    When I was on PC I used Cakewalk a lot, then Studio 1.
  6. Hasici

    Hasici New Member

    Apr 4, 2019
    On mac I would likely go logic pro as well.... for the money it is unbeatable. But funny how I changed my tune lately: previously it was mac os over bloated windows. Now I am not sure anymore who is the bloated one...
  7. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2013
    Milwaukee, Wi
    I have recently left Ableton as well. They have not done enough with the DAW over the last 4 versions to make me want to stay with it not to mention the startup of Ableton was hardly ever a good experience or the crashes. I have 4 DAWs now , gas gas gas , but I am now with Logic Pro and I like it so far. I also have Cubase 9.5 and Studio One 4. I prefer Studio One to Cubase , but that's just my taste. One thing to consider is that Logic is $200 , and I think the updates are free. Steinberg charges for what seems like every full and .5 update they release which can be costly if you update every time ( currently 9.5 - 10 would be $99 if not for the 50% off sale) . Presonus only charges for major updates when they go to the next full version of Studio One , all other updates are free that I have seen since Studio One 3.5. Studio One is quickly gaining ground on the other DAWs available and have already won over a lot of users from other DAWs. It's a tough choice to make when switching your preferred workstation but going from Ableton to another I can say that Studio One would be an easier jump for you than say Logic Pro or Cubase. I hear Reaper is a great option too , but have never given it a whirl even though it is probably the most affordable ones on the market. Also , no dongle required for Reaper, Logic or Studio One.
  8. kitekrazy

    kitekrazy Senior Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Only 4 DAWs? I'm embarrassed to tell how many. If I had a Mac I'd probably only use Logic. I still like Live but I'm done with Suite upgrades. Too pricey for very little.
  9. kitekrazy

    kitekrazy Senior Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Then when you lose that dongle.......oh my.
  10. Saxer

    Saxer Senior Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    Then you buy another one. I broke up my car key lately. Shit happens but it's possible to survive.
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  11. Shad0wLandsUK

    Shad0wLandsUK Senior Member

    Feb 20, 2016
    London, UK
    Exactly :)
    I don't really see the issue with the dongle. I have Pro Tools that requires one, EastWest, Cubase, VE Pro and SoundToys. Never had issues with any of them. And as soon as one would get a little damaged I would buy another. Not a big deal for a £30 that holds ££££s worth of licenses on it
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  12. Michael Antrum

    Michael Antrum Only the good die young....

    I picked a spare up from Gear4Music for £ 19.00
  13. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2013
    Milwaukee, Wi
    The dongle isn't bad. The Steinberg dongle works for Vienna instruments and REFX so its a win win sometimes.
    Yes , the suite upgrades are a pricey for not getting much out of them personally. I find it very odd and unfair to their consumers too, that the standard version does come with a sampler as most DAW do. They have simpler but sampler is in suite only , WTH.
  14. Tim_Wells

    Tim_Wells Tim Wells

    Oct 22, 2018
    I think the question is, what's wrong with Ableton? For me, switching DAWs is a real productivity killer. I need a damn good reason to do it.
  15. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

    Feb 21, 2013
    Milwaukee, Wi
    Personally , I had terrible startup times with nothing loaded and crashes almost daily. Fresh Ableton installs would work great for about 2-3 weeks then back to the same thing. Never had these issues with Cubase, Studio One, or Logic Pro on the same machine. Their CPU usage does not seem to be as good compared to other DAWs and setting up templates is not as user friendly as Cubase , Logic Pro , or Studio One. Ableton still does not let you create multiple tracks at once. It is geared toward djs and electronic producers which is very apparent after years of use. It has plenty of great things to offer like their warping engine (it's the cat's meow) and the Clip view for Live performances is great. For orchestral or rock producers it leaves a lot to be desired.
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  16. WindcryMusic

    WindcryMusic Always learning

    Oct 19, 2015
    I popped some virtual popcorn before looking at this thread, feeling confident that it was the same discussion I’ve seen a million times already. But then you went and said this: “I've heard rumors though that Logic plans on addressing these issues soon.”

    HUH? WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? :elephant:

    I’d really appreciate any more details you can share about the source and details of these rumors. I’m currently stressing Logic Pro X to the limit with my 280 track template. It takes about four to five minutes to load and takes a full minute to start playing the first time I press Play (only the first time … after that it is fine). And this is on a 10-core iMac Pro, for goodness sakes. So reading the words that Logic might soon be addressing its limitations with large templates makes the words appear sort of surrounded by a throbbing, angelic golden glow to me.
  17. kilgurt

    kilgurt New Member

    Feb 4, 2013
    Heidelberg, Germany
  18. Bansaw

    Bansaw Member

    May 12, 2018
    A good DAW to test out is Reaper.
    For me personally , its very stable software, and I've never had it squeak yet no matter how many tracks I lay down. I get the impression its programmed well; hardly ever crashes.
    Updates are regular and there's some nice actions and third-party addons, themes etc, in the community.
    Price is right.
    The only negative for me would be the fact that I'm not keen on the stock plugins.
  19. Tim_Wells

    Tim_Wells Tim Wells

    Oct 22, 2018
    That sounds like a damn good reason... :)
  20. kitekrazy

    kitekrazy Senior Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Many iLok products allow for software authorization and more than one machine. As for eLicenser read the VSL policy. Dongles are nice for hassle free activation.

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