Behringer---Attack of the Clones

josejherring

Senior Member
Anybody partaking the in clone wars?

I'm seriously interested in a lot of their synths even the Moog Modular clone they have coming up. I've poured over every youtube vid I can find but the only one that I think sounds really decent is the Pro-one. Even what they posted of the Moog Modular clone, they are so excited about it but I just hear from the demos that they didn't get the filters right even though they seemed to have done a good job with the rest of it. But, if it doesn't have moog filters then it's not a Moog imo. And, I feel the same way about all of their clones, it comes close but then there's one thing that's just totally off either the filters, or lack of bass or something.

But, I'm thinking of diving in on at least the Pro-One. Anybody have any experience with these clones yet? I'm at the point in my life where I'm not settling any more. If it isn't pro sounding then I'm not getting it. Also, I'm old enough to remember when the name Behringer meant total crap. I've so blocked everything Behringer from my mind that it has taken me weeks to learn to even spell it. So that is weighing on me heavily as well. I can't count the amount of times I've gone to the music store to test out Deepmind12 only to leave just because I couldn't bring myself to purchase a Behringer product. Deepmind12 isn't half bad either. I mean it doesn't come close to Davesmith or the new Moog Polysynth but it does have a few really great qualities.

So seeing if anybody has gotten anything in the Behringer synth lineup. What are your opinions?

Any opinions welcomed.
 

mike_solar

New Member
I've got a $5K+ eurorack system and the model-D is sitting right in the middle - and it's one of my go to's (probably since it's so easy having a full tweakable synth in the middle of all these modules). Sounds pretty incredible to me though. I've grown quite attached. If any of these fill a void in your setup and you like how they sound, you really can't go wrong.
 

gsilbers

Part of Pulsesetter-Sounds.com
Anybody partaking the in clone wars?

I'm seriously interested in a lot of their synths even the Moog Modular clone they have coming up. I've poured over every youtube vid I can find but the only one that I think sounds really decent is the Pro-one. Even what they posted of the Moog Modular clone, they are so excited about it but I just hear from the demos that they didn't get the filters right even though they seemed to have done a good job with the rest of it. But, if it doesn't have moog filters then it's not a Moog imo. And, I feel the same way about all of their clones, it comes close but then there's one thing that's just totally off either the filters, or lack of bass or something.

But, I'm thinking of diving in on at least the Pro-One. Anybody have any experience with these clones yet? I'm at the point in my life where I'm not settling any more. If it isn't pro sounding then I'm not getting it. Also, I'm old enough to remember when the name Behringer meant total crap. I've so blocked everything Behringer from my mind that it has taken me weeks to learn to even spell it. So that is weighing on me heavily as well. I can't count the amount of times I've gone to the music store to test out Deepmind12 only to leave just because I couldn't bring myself to purchase a Behringer product. Deepmind12 isn't half bad either. I mean it doesn't come close to Davesmith or the new Moog Polysynth but it does have a few really great qualities.

So seeing if anybody has gotten anything in the Behringer synth lineup. What are your opinions?

Any opinions welcomed.

they are spot on. all of them. its crazy but seems like a simple business plan. hire the top end reverse engineers and make them in their humoucouls factory in china for peanuts. seriously , google their factory. i think its the size of all of Asheville (where moog has the factory) lol.

so all the hard work from moog and then once the patent is gone, here comes B to make the same but at $250. you can see the in different A/b videos with orignal of $3k vs the boog and its insane it can sound the same. same with the other ones. if you hear a different its because you are not doing blind tests. because i know youve been around a while and i know for sure, that you, just like me, see the beheringer brand as utter crap. and as cheap chinese knockoff... but that was like 10 years ago.
i recently got the u-phoria as a cheap stopgar solution and it rival my 10 yr old rme interface in preamps and converter quality. things have changed and behringer has gotten a nice little niche in the analog synth world.

but now it begs the question, why are anlog synths so expensive to beging with? behring is making $250 analog synths that sound like the original moog. or the deepmind like the roland. and that new crave synth? its a DFAM clone from moog.

turns out with so many years of reverse engineering the crap out of every musical thing out there B has been able to put china manufacturing on steroids.
so that deep mind sounds just like the real roland, the moog like the real old moog.
yea, its true and its very hard for me to admit since i hate that sort of copy cat thing. but they have made it affordable and it sounds good.

so now youll be able to get a real analog clone euro rack for a fraction of the cost. heck, youll be able to build yourself a euro rack wall like junkei xl for a fraction of the price. with $5k maybe. two sets of roland and moog 55 plus the other desktop clones that fit into eurorack module.
i think the trick will be to do like IKEA, you dont have everything IKEA, you try to get one or two expensive pieaces of furniture and then the other 12 are IKEA. (interior designer trick :)


and also, dont think that dave smith is all that as well. check out the comparison videos with deepmind and rev2 and youll see. Behringer is making a oberheim now, so that will be a better comparison when it comes out.

but yeah.. hard to admit they finally got something right, even if its on the hard work of others.
 
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josejherring

josejherring

Senior Member
Yes both of you have hit on some real truths there.

First, It's Behringer. Yeah, I'm biased against it. Just on name alone. I heard a some Klark Teknik stuff and thought it sounded good then I learned that it was made by Behringer and that tainted it for me. Can I get over that? Sure. But so much of this business is having confidence in the tools when all your own personal confidence has worn thin. So it will take a bit but I will get there.

Second, yes I've been patiently building a Eurorack system and it's gone painfully expensive. I use it but still haven't gotten a full synth yet. After putting $1500 into it I realized that I need a new enclosure and power supply to house my second envelope and a slew limiter. So, I'm looking for a cheaper way out for sure. Along comes Behringer with the Boog and the Pro-one and now the Boog modular. Shit, why am I putting so much into getting modules that cost $150 to $600 each when I can get whole synths for $300? So, I'm rethinking it. Get the Boog or the pro-one then get the crazy eurorack devices that do wild things others can't do.

Thanks for your input.
 

gsilbers

Part of Pulsesetter-Sounds.com
Yes both of you have hit on some real truths there.

First, It's Behringer. Yeah, I'm biased against it. Just on name alone. I heard a some Klark Teknik stuff and thought it sounded good then I learned that it was made by Behringer and that tainted it for me. Can I get over that? Sure. But so much of this business is having confidence in the tools when all your own personal confidence has worn thin. So it will take a bit but I will get there.

Second, yes I've been patiently building a Eurorack system and it's gone painfully expensive. I use it but still haven't gotten a full synth yet. After putting $1500 into it I realized that I need a new enclosure and power supply to house my second envelope and a slew limiter. So, I'm looking for a cheaper way out for sure. Along comes Behringer with the Boog and the Pro-one and now the Boog modular. Shit, why am I putting so much into getting modules that cost $150 to $600 each when I can get whole synths for $300? So, I'm rethinking it. Get the Boog or the pro-one then get the crazy eurorack devices that do wild things others can't do.

Thanks for your input.

the Neutron synth has a lot of cool cv ins and outs.
and for what its worth...

you can buy different covers and .. hmm.. cover the brand name

 

haydn12

New Member
I have a Neutron synth and find it is an amazing sounding box for the money. I had a couple Moogs years ago and this thing is much more flexible than they were at a fraction of the cost. I'm planning on adding some of the Behringer Eurorack modules in the future to it.

Jim
 

mike_solar

New Member
Those new eurorack modules look great as well ...and the upcoming 2600. I currently have a Prophet 6, Prophet 12, Juno 60 and some other vintage gear. I often wonder if I'd use the Model D more often if it was an authentic Moog as it's most certain to be a nicer user experience with keys, expansive layout, all that vibe, knobs, wood, etc. but I think it sounds amazing (and equal in quality to the other synths I mentioned, sonically - just more Moog-like). An added benefit: the Boog has helped me to get a bit more comfortable programming with the 3-oscillator section from Diva, among others.
 

givemenoughrope

Senior Member
I'm not sure why a lot of these updated clones dont have CC control, software editors/vst ala DSI, etc. If they did I'd probably be helpless against them and buy them up. Obv some of them can't.
 

mickeyl

Dr. Mickey Lauer
Behringer is carrying out a quite clever strategy. Some devices are pretty accurate clones, some are clones++ (devices that fix shortcomings of the originals and carefully go beyond), and some are pretty much just good inventions.

Although I don't own a Behringer device yet (and actually after working ITB for more than 10 years, I didn't want to, but I will anyways), I'm pretty confident that I can't resist a Behringer 2600 this summer.

The net effect is that they bring fresh blood into the scene, allowing more people to own synths and make music. From a consumer standpoint, I think they're doing great.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Comparisons on MP3’s never reveals the true presence of old vintage beasts.
That aside only clones I’ve heard that nail the emulations are Kong’s ARP2600 and Behringer CAT, but I haven’t played the CAT yet.
But these clones aren’t much more expensive than soft synths so buying 5 or 6 of these and using your Mac or PC for streaming audio is great.

I’m seeing lots of rigs with hardware synths and hardware effects and VEPro running max poly.
 
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josejherring

josejherring

Senior Member
Love the CAT. I'm going to be getting my first clone. Trying to decide between the k2, pro-one and cat. Any suggestions to get my feat wet? Which ones do you guys love?
 

Wes Antczak

Senior Member
Those new eurorack modules look great as well ...and the upcoming 2600. I currently have a Prophet 6, Prophet 12, Juno 60 and some other vintage gear. I often wonder if I'd use the Model D more often if it was an authentic Moog as it's most certain to be a nicer user experience with keys, expansive layout, all that vibe, knobs, wood, etc. but I think it sounds amazing (and equal in quality to the other synths I mentioned, sonically - just more Moog-like). An added benefit: the Boog has helped me to get a bit more comfortable programming with the 3-oscillator section from Diva, among others.
In terms of the Moog... or rather Boog, the Poly D looks really nice.
 

C.R. Rivera

Popper @ his favorite toy.
In terms of the Moog... or rather Boog, the Poly D looks really nice.
I wonder if Behringer will clone "Boog Powell"? Why if patent/trademark law allows it, is Behringer getting grief in some quarters? We know that it is not perfect replicas, or, the original products in most cases. Just curious.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
I guess Cat isn't available yet. Makes my choice easier. K2 or Pro-One?
Is the Pro One monophonic? If it isn’t I’d shop for a Polyphonic, not Paraphonic either, just a good buzzy Analog Polyphonic. Digital synths in the box can do so many better things than try to emulate discrete audio synths.

Just my opinion, but I like samples and digital soft Synths, an Analog Polyphonic, and a big fat mono synth.

I got to use a CAT and Voyetra once and the power and presence was incredible. I had a CS80, OBX, MiniMoog and the Moog Lab Series amp stack and thought they were fat, CS80 being the thinnest. But the Voyetra and CAT were so Fat I dare not put them into the Leslie cabinets.

Nothing ever came close to those until I played a Moog One.
But I’m over that blow your face off era, but would definitely want a CAT.
The SE-02 is really a full sounding mono too, but the CAT is going to be tough to beat on Bass and Lead.

MultiWaveform Oscillators are really as big as you can get with Bass or Lead synths.
 

mike_solar

New Member
Is the Pro One monophonic? If it isn’t I’d shop for a Polyphonic, not Paraphonic either, just a good buzzy Analog Polyphonic. Digital synths in the box can do so many better things than try to emulate discrete audio synths.

Just my opinion, but I like samples and digital soft Synths, an Analog Polyphonic, and a big fat mono synth.

I got to use a CAT and Voyetra once and the power and presence was incredible. I had a CS80, OBX, MiniMoog and the Moog Lab Series amp stack and thought they were fat, CS80 being the thinnest. But the Voyetra and CAT were so Fat I dare not put them into the Leslie cabinets.

Nothing ever came close to those until I played a Moog One.
But I’m over that blow your face off era, but would definitely want a CAT.
The SE-02 is really a full sounding mono too, but the CAT is going to be tough to beat on Bass and Lead.

MultiWaveform Oscillators are really as big as you can get with Bass or Lead synths.
That's interesting to note as I was recently playing around with some pads on an Oberheim Matrix 6R. For comparison sake I managed to program a patch in Diva with the goal of emulating an OB-8 pad - the Diva patch had less artifacts but sounded much fatter, in my opinion.

I still think the biggest mono sound in my current setup is perhaps the Behringer Model D. Love the low end of the Juno 60 though - it's completely different so I have a couple of bases covered hardware-wise.

I look forward to playing around with more of the Behringer emulations at some point. Amazing stuff they are doing these days. Makes me not want to spend so much on synths in the future.
 
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