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Salorom

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To match the sound of the other BBO installments.
I’ll be that guy, again... doesn’t this contradict your statement that the BBO strings and Synchron Strings I blend well?

Which also begs the question: why not have all Synchron installments share the same sound? Seems very counterproductive from a customer perspective.
 
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I’ll be that guy, again... doesn’t this contradict your statement that the BBO strings and Synchron Strings I blend well?
No. Different focus does not contradict that you can use these together.

why not have all Synchron instalments share the same sound? Seems very counterproductive from a customer perspective.
BBO is it's own series. You can use all Synchron and SYNCHRON-ized libraries together without tweaking, and you can use all BBO installments without tweaking. If you want to use them together chances are good that it will just fit together.
Sometimes in more exposed parts you may want to tweak the sound a little bit, depending if you want to go for the BBO sound or the Synchron sound.
 

jaketanner

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depending if you want to go for the BBO sound or the Synchron sound
I think it's that the Synchron Sound SHOULD have been the BBO sound. :) Seems that it's so much better and SY1 is only a few years old...I know they serve different purposes, but seems like it's now just a transitional library. I still like it of course, but now I'm wanting SY 1 to sound like what the BBO sounds like...LOL
 

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No. Different focus does not contradict that you can use these together.


BBO is it's own series. You can use all Synchron and SYNCHRON-ized libraries together without tweaking, and you can use all BBO installments without tweaking. If you want to use them together chances are good that it will just fit together.
Sometimes in more exposed parts you may want to tweak the sound a little bit, depending if you want to go for the BBO sound or the Synchron sound.
I’m very sorry but I find this rhetoric inconclusive and even fallacious.

Synchron FX Strings do not sound like Synchron Strings I—at all. They do sound like BBO strings—a lot.

I fail to understand the reasoning behind the idea that the BBO range and the Synchron one should ever be designed not to share the same sound signature.

The competition came up with the same concept (think Spitifire or OT for instance), where the ‘professional’ orchestral libraries and their ‘simplified’ counterparts blend perfectly, which obviously makes total sense. I can’t imagine VSL would attempt anything different, all the more so when those sections playing in unison do indeed allow to produce more realistic results in some specific cases.
 
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How is this different from a 26 member first violin section with an 8 member viola section? (With apologies for the newbie question.)
Seating in the orchestra.

The competition came up with the same concept (think Spitifire or OT for instance), where the ‘professional’ orchestral libraries and their ‘simplified’ counterparts blend perfectly, which obviously makes total sense.
They do. That's what I'm telling all the time... Sorry, but I don't get this discussion. I start feeling like a parrot 🦜
 
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I still like it of course, but now I'm wanting SY 1 to sound like what the BBO sounds like...LOL
Here you go: Download and extract the zip-file I've attached and copy the "SYNCHRON Collection" folder into the Synchron Player's preset folder.
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In my example the preset folder is located at the path in the player's config + "VSL\Vienna Synchron Player\Presets"
Full Path for me => "C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\VSL\Vienna Synchron Player\Presets". Copy the folder into this folder.

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Or simply open the included VEP7 project ;)

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I included two presets for each section, Cassic RoomMix (for Standard Library) and Stereo to Surround (for Full Library). The VEP project is defaulted to the Surround to Stero Mix.

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What have I changed:
- EQ of all mics (except the "Back" mic, which I didn't use in any preset)
- Mix of the mics and Reverb
- Humanization
 

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jaketanner

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Here you go: Download and extract the zip-file I've attached and copy the "SYNCHRON Collection" folder into the Synchron Player's preset folder.
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In my example the preset folder is located at the path in the player's config + "VSL\Vienna Synchron Player\Presets"
Full Path for me => "C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\VSL\Vienna Synchron Player\Presets". Copy the folder into this folder.

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Or simply open the included VEP7 project ;)

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I included two presets for each section, Cassic RoomMix (for Standard Library) and Stereo to Surround (for Full Library). The VEP project is defaulted to the Surround to Stero Mix.

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What have I changed:
- EQ of all mics (except the "Back" mic, which I didn't use in any preset)
- Mix of the mics and Reverb
- Humanization
Thanks Ben...sounds nice. Very similar to a preset that I have customized already, but a bit smoother. Although I don't have the full version, so Im missing those extra two mics...wondering how much of a difference they make? Just hard to justify the cost just for a few mics...maybe they'll be on sale at some point. But at the very least, I have a different color string to use.. Thanks :)
 
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Seating in the orchestra.
I thought VSL's seating arrangement puts the 2nd violins right next to the 1st violins (with violas on the opposite side of the stage). In that case, when playing the same note they would sound like one section. I must be missing something here.
 
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I thought VSL's seating arrangement puts the 2nd violins right next to the 1st violins (with violas on the opposite side of the stage). In that case, when playing the same note they would sound like one section. N'est ce pas?
You can say so, it's like when 1st and 2nd violins are playing in unison.

To get a better idea of the Synchron Stage, take a deep breath, sit back and enjoy these recordings. This should give you a good idea of the Stage and its sound. I can't tell if the same seating was used while recording the samples, but it probably is pretty close.


 
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Thanks Ben...sounds nice. Very similar to a preset that I have customized already, but a bit smoother. Although I don't have the full version, so Im missing those extra two mics...wondering how much of a difference they make? Just hard to justify the cost just for a few mics...maybe they'll be on sale at some point. But at the very least, I have a different color string to use.. Thanks :)
Great to hear that you like it! The additional mics add space to the sound. It's like adding an additional dimension to the sound.
That's the reason I always prefere the surround to stereo mixes (these are available for all BBO libraries btw). These are ~doubling the number of voices, but for me it's woth it.
 

jaketanner

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Great to hear that you like it! The additional mics add space to the sound. It's like adding an additional dimension to the sound.
That's the reason I always prefere the surround to stereo mixes (these are available for all BBO libraries btw). These are ~doubling the number of voices, but for me it's woth it.
Will consider an upgrade in the future. Thanks.
 

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To get a better idea of the Synchron Stage, take a deep breath, sit back and enjoy these recordings.
It's incredible the amount of talent one can find in big cities with a long musical tradition, like Vienna (actually, the town were many traditions have grown).

As we can see, the Synchron Orchestra includes a lot of young musicians. They play and sound like the best professionals with a long career. It's absolutely stunning.

Paolo
 

jamwerks

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I'd be interested in some big string sections like HZ Strings or Ark I (no octaves) in a future module. I really like your choice and implementation of arts.
 

typewriter

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I'll ask Paul.
But please have a little patience. We are currently swamped in work, especially testing the next updates for our players and VEP, in parallel to preparations for future products :)

Do we get VST3 support in VEP? This was promised long ago.
 
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