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richhickey

Active Member
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
 

clisma

Senior Member
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
Thank you for this. Comprehensive thoughts. Looking forward to whatever else you might share.
 

Lazer42

Active Member
This is a really helpful post, Rich.

If it isn't too much of an imposition, could you (or anyone else who is reading) post some simple phrase, once with the default settings on, and the same thing with the modifications?

In particular, I am curious what it sounds like with and without that EQ setting to which you attribute the "synthiness," since that is the most glaring problem I notice in what I have heard so far.
 
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constaneum

Senior Member
the strings recorded seems polished even though we've heard the hiccups mentioned. However, as a composer who may not have the luxury time to spend time to tweak lots of parameters, i think i have to forgo MSS. Even LASS has been left collecting dust (except occassional situation when i need those ass kicking shorts) at one point of time ever since i have CSS , CS2 and even SSS. I know some people prefer the flexibility in terms of controls. I however on the other end prefer something can be made simple and sounded good with the only need to control CC1, CC11 and CC2 (vibrato). i dont have that much luxury time to tweak things here and there especially when there are times you're on tight project schedule.
 
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muziksculp

Senior Member
the strings recorded seems polished even though we've heard the hiccups mentioned. However, as a composer who may not have the luxury time to spend time to tweak lots of parameters, i think i have to forgo MSS. Even LASS has been left collecting dust (except occassional situation when i need those ass kicking shorts) at one point of time ever since i have CSS , CS2 and even SSS. I know some people prefers the flexibility in terms of controls. I however on the other end prefer something can be made simple and sounded good with the only need to control CC1, CC11 and CC2 (vibrato). i dont have that much luxury time to tweak things here and there especially when there are times you're on tight project schedule.
Very true.

The depth, and variety of features in MSS is a bit scary, and can be overwhelming. I'm still trying to evaluate MSS. It's quite a complex library.
 

filipjonathan

Literally The Best Member
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
Hm, I wonder how much more than $500+ a library needs to cost in order to work as expected out of the box 🤔
 

molemac

Active Member
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
+1 helpful , pleased can you post some audio examples of what you are describing (particularly dry samples through altiverb (not too big a room , maybe TeLexus or something )
 

Zedcars

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Another one to add to my MSS VIC bookmarks. Thank you. I’m going to try your tips later.

Has anyone got any thoughts about how best to set up the Intuition patches? They seem much louder than the others. I turned off the IR as I wasn’t happy with the tail.
 
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richhickey

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Hm, I wonder how much more than $500+ a library needs to cost in order to work as expected out of the box 🤔
:)

To be clear, I do not think the lib is hard to use or that those changes are tricky or time-consuming. If things always worked as we expected then we'd never get anything novel.

As an example, the CC+Vel setting I mentioned is really great - I usually use scripts to do the same thing. But it is uncommon, so something to be aware of.

TBH, I think a lot of libraries do ok at the "first plonk" test only to reveal themselves as awkward and inflexible in practice. Audiobro has quite obviously spent a lot of energy on making this library something you can make your own, and with which you'll have a set of tools for getting things just right, if and when you feel like spending the time.

It has a bunch of auto-stuff I might never use (ostinatos, A.R.T.) but I don't think they're in the way or that the library is primarily about them (in spite of them being the early demo focus). You can take on that complexity when you want that feature.

Some things are intangible, but there is a musicality to Audiobro's approach that I appreciate. They are trying to make expressive sampled instruments, not merely treating samples as a source of orchestral colors. I am increasingly finding that where a vendor/lib sits on that instruments/colors spectrum tends to dominate my satisfaction with a lib.
 

Willowtree

I make music
:)

To be clear, I do not think the lib is hard to use or that those changes are tricky or time-consuming. If things always worked as we expected then we'd never get anything novel.

As an example, the CC+Vel setting I mentioned is really great - I usually use scripts to do the same thing. But it is uncommon, so something to be aware of.

TBH, I think a lot of libraries do ok at the "first plonk" test only to reveal themselves as awkward and inflexible in practice. Audiobro has quite obviously spent a lot of energy on making this library something you can make your own, and with which you'll have a set of tools for getting things just right, if and when you feel like spending the time.

It has a bunch of auto-stuff I might never use (ostinatos, A.R.T.) but I don't think they're in the way or that the library is primarily about them (in spite of them being the early demo focus). You can take on that complexity when you want that feature.

Some things are intangible, but there is a musicality to Audiobro's approach that I appreciate. They are trying to make expressive sampled instruments, not merely treating samples as a source of orchestral colors. I am increasingly finding that where a vendor/lib sits on that instruments/colors spectrum tends to dominate my satisfaction with a lib.
I really wish what I heard with MSS (from official and user demos) sounded good, because on paper it's the kind of library I'd love, like you describe.

But I think it sounds really mediocre. Whether it was or not, it sounds as if it was recordeded centre in a bad and poorly miced room then panned. I don't buy into user complaints about the legato, which I suspect are mostly uninformed, but the sound to me is just woefully mediocre.

I'm glad others feel differently and enjoy it.
 

Casiquire

Senior Member
Hm, I wonder how much more than $500+ a library needs to cost in order to work as expected out of the box 🤔
It depends on what the library is trying to be. Hein instruments, VSL, the old Embertone strings, they all require a bit of work right out of the box but offer so much more
 

Gingerbread

Active Member
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
I would be very interested to hear at least a quick example of what these changes sound like.

I've been interested in MSS, but everything I've heard so far from the demos sounds like it was recorded in a tin bunker. "Boxy" is the only way I can really describe it. I would like to think this is simply the result of the various default EQs and reverbs which have been factory-applied out-of-the-box.

If someone could please take 5 minutes and provide a quick example of what the library sounds like with the changes recommended by @richhickey, I would much appreciate it!
 

Willowtree

I make music
I would be very interested to hear at least a quick example of what these changes sound like.

I've been interested in MSS, but everything I've heard so far from the demos sounds like it was recorded in a tin bunker. "Boxy" is the only way I can really describe it. I would like to think this is simply the result of the various default EQs and reverbs which have been factory-applied out-of-the-box.

If someone could please take 5 minutes and provide a quick example of what the library sounds like with the changes recommended by @richhickey, I would much appreciate it!
Maybe MSS was secretly planned to be competitor to Bunker Strings ...
 
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ansthenia

Active Member
but everything I've heard so far from the demos sounds like it was recorded in a tin bunker. "Boxy" is the only way I can really describe it.
I had the exact same feelings about Modern Scoring Brass, the feeling of the room these instruments are playing in being extremely small and boxy. I think it's just the room/stage audiobro are using, it's really not helping these instruments imo.
 

Paul Jelfs

Senior Member
Thanks for your useful feedback OP. This Kinda information would be even better distributed if you were able to make a video of all these " features" and "quirks".

I think that is what we need before people can truly decide if this library is for them. A long walk through, highlighting all these details, by someone that really knows the library and how to get the best out of it.

Its only been three days, I think we all get used to this instant gratification effect that the internet has afforded us.
 

Casiquire

Senior Member
A bit work is totally fine and somewhat expected. But judging by the comments from different people here, MSS requires a LOT of work which to me just doesn't make sense being $500+. But that's just me 🤷🏻‍♂️
Dimension Strings took me way, way longer to set up
 

ism

Senior Member
I really wish what I heard with MSS (from official and user demos) sounded good, because on paper it's the kind of library I'd love, like you describe.

But I think it sounds really mediocre. Whether it was or not, it sounds as if it was recordeded centre in a bad and poorly miced room then panned. I don't buy into user complaints about the legato, which I suspect are mostly uninformed, but the sound to me is just woefully mediocre.

I'm glad others feel differently and enjoy it.
I agree that a lot of the user demos are too dry, or for various reasons just not there yet.

But as a sound, what to you think of this:

 

chapbot

omnivore
Very first impressions and tips:

tl;dr -
  • It sounds great, but I haven't seen a lib ruin its sound out of the box so badly since... MSB :(
  • Lots of the default settings may trip you up.

Things that can ruin the sound (IMO):
  • Auto-divisi keeps the legato from working as expected - they tell you that, but everyone's tripping over it anyway.
  • The default-on EQ sucks out all the gutty string realism in some misguided attempt at "smooth" - largely responsible for the "synthy" effect everyone is hearing.
  • The Mix has too much surround and no close, thus sounds vague and washed out.
  • The default-on reverb IRs are awful.
How to fix it and hear the true lib:

Go to Splits and load a Divisi section (e.g. Cellos A) This will have auto-divisi off, and only one section.

In the mixer
  • Turn of all the EQ by clicking on them
  • Turn off all the sends
  • Create a mix that involves the close mics
2 quickie options:
  • Wet w/focus - Leave the Mix at 0 db and add the close at -6db
  • Dry w/body - Turn the Mix off, set Close to 0db and Stage at -6db, no surround
There are also "unprocessed" setups, but you'll still have to create a mix and you might wonder where everything went that appears in the docs/vids.

Next gotcha - the dynamic control for the shorts defaults to CC+vel. It's a cool mode but maybe not what you expect, and can leave you wondering why the shorts don't dig in - you'll hear them getting louder when you hit harder but if CC1 is low they won't reach the higher dynamics. Try the CC (for all dynamics) or CC-longs|vel-shorts setting that matches your expectations.

The getting started video does cover how to do all of this.

What's good so far:
  • There's a lot of sampling here. While there are a ton of software-assisted features, the core is a deep sampling job. That's always a win in my book.
  • The dynamic range is great and useful, with good xfading
  • Attack variations for longs (attack/norm/cresc)
  • Rebow legato (option)! I hate it when you can't get articulated yet connected lines. Works great and lets you perform arbitrary ostinatos etc
  • 'Auto tighten' for shorts is a brilliant feature for any lib that is wet. When you play rapidly it tightens up the room ringout and prevents the overlapping room effect normally associated with wet samples. Turn it on!
  • Tight sound => mix flexibility. The "dry w/body" mix above takes to external ambience like a charm. I just walked through a ton of Altiverb and Spaces II rooms and it just works with everything. This is a big draw of this lib for me. Mixes like a dry lib but with just that bit of room for body.
  • Great setup for track-per-section tracking - you can reach every patch in one instrument with KS/CC/vel control (except see below)
Disappointing so far:

The extra $ expanded legatos sit in their own instruments, not integrated with the otherwise excellent single-track KS/CC patch change setup. It leaves me wondering when I'll end up using these since it will be such a pain compared to the rest. I just want the legato button to work for these once paid for. As an add-on it sucks, better to have just included them and charged more. I hope they develop some system where we can merge the patches.

I haven't played with the automatic stuff at all.

I'm not going to discuss legatos, on principle :)

More later...
Thank you so much for these ideas. I tried them all last night in one last ditch attempt to find any use out of this library (I had turned off the reverbs and I'm using the close mic but didn't realize the EQ was on.)

Unfortunately, even in its raw state, I just do not like this library. I have been waiting for this thing for years and have been so excited, but it cannot hold a candle to the current crop of next-gen strings.

As one person mentioned on another post, he likes everything except the core legato sound LOL. Yes, the ostinato feature sounds great and is cool but I would never use it.

I don't like the tone, I don't like the playability. I do like the intuition patches but there again I just am not digging that core tone.
 
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