video game music isn't real music?! well thats a first....
Is it confirmed that the library has three dynamic layers? How are people finding that? Are you getting what you want at the extreme dynamic ranges?
Is there a general consensus on the overall library now that you’ve had more time with it?
Tried to get MSB to play my favorite fanfare. Still a lot to learn...
something's really off with the note attacks here. They're just too sharp that they make the whole note sounds like a pure rectangular midi block (if that makes any sense). Even the sharpest note in real life has that pre-attack blowing noise that then curves/morphs into the sustained note...something that seems absent in this library as far as I heard from all demos- not just this one.
...something that seems absent in this library as far as I heard from all demos- not just this one.
Can I ask which type of brass sound you were chasing (sorry if you said earlier in the thread)? An example or description? Also, which tools have you tried for placement to deal with the centre recording aspect? Is it a case of you can’t get good placement results or that it takes extra time/effort to get it right compared to a library recorded in position; that you don’t like?that's what happen when you leave on 1 attack turn the dynamics to max and leave it.
that said, I think it's a consequence of people not using an extra CC to modulate the attack type - even when they move CC1, they seldom seem to automate or control the attacks. Honestly, I've been house hunting and work has been dragging the life out of me - so I haven't been able to play with the library much at all. But this is simply a case of user error, even the sustains have 3 different attack types(recorded at multiple dynamics) I'm personally not as excited as I was about the library - simply because of the center recorded aspect, and it really not having much in the lower regions.
I would rather subtract than add when it comes to EQ, and I feel like the sound you get from this library is great for adventure/classical works - but would take more work than I'd like to get the specific brass sound I'm after.
Owning this library i strongly disagree.
However, it's a library that needs the (intense) use of controllers.
Right.that's what happen when you leave on 1 attack turn the dynamics to max and leave it.
Gotta disagree strongly with this--have you checked out Guy's walkthrough?...and it really not having much in the lower regions.
I own the library - and the bulk of it's serious competition.Right.
Gotta disagree strongly with this--have you checked out Guy's walkthrough?
I don't own this library so it's hard to comment on what you might be hearing without a good play through of the library, so my impression of what I hear could change if I owned it and had a play-through like you have been doing, however from your short example it sounds to me that the main difference between each one is that MSB has less room than the others, which may make it feel like it has less body. The sound, however sounds, to me, exactly how that instrument would sound in dry room. Are you thinking that maybe they eq'd the low end out of the instrument for some reason? It's certainly possible but that's not what I'm hearing.Here you go.
1. the Decca Tree from MSB, no EQ, no effects.
2. the ORTF mic from Berlin Brass, no EQ, no effects(The berlin tree is much farther back than MSB)
3. the Main mic(tree I assume) from CSB, no EQ, no effects
4. the room mic from Cinebrass Pro, no EQ, no effects(there is really no happy medium between the close mic and the room - and no extremely tight short like the other libraries offer)
all 3 use the exact same midi, 3 notes, velocity 1 > velocity 67 > velocity 127.
MSB > BB > CSB >CB in that order.
despite berlin brass being in a similar proximity - you can still hear plenty of bottom end(an effect that is much more obvious on the other mic choices)
I had a hard time getting Cinebrass' dynamic curve lined up with the other libraries, as it's the only one that had an abysmally small dynamic range(2 velocity layers I think)
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I don't own this library so it's hard to comment on what you might be hearing without a good play through of the library, so my impression of what I hear could change if I owned it and had a play-through like you have been doing, however from your short example it sounds to me that the main difference between each one is that MSB has less room than the others, which may make it feel like it has less body. The sound, however sounds, to me, exactly how that instrument would sound in dry room. Are you thinking that maybe they eq'd the low end out of the instrument for some reason? It's certainly possible but that's not what I'm hearing.
They are different people... thus the different last namesWhile we wait for more demos, can someone please tell me if @Guy Rowland and Guy Michelmore are the same person?? Are these two super cool dudes or one?
Thanks