Guy Rowland
Senior Member
Just in case its of any use to anyone still considering the library, here's a half an hour whizz through of it in my template:
I could be wrong - so often am - but I'd advise against it for you, Suntower. Not because it isn't excellent - it absolutely is - and not because you can't work super-quickly with it - you can. And not because the UI isn't much better than LASS - it is. But because you never found the time to make LASS work for you, and MSB, in that sense, is perhaps similar, I fear the worst in your case.
LASS is a library that requires some heavy lifting to get it set up working for you. It might be the hardest around in that regard, the ARC has some really tricky concepts to get your head around. But if you spent the time with it, getting it set up (I have a video on this somewhere) then it will pay you back massively. It will be superquick to work with in practice, because you put in the hours upfront to tailor it just to how you need it. And because their programming, editing and recording is so slick, you'll be spending a lot less time in the end working around various deficiencies.
MSB IS much simpler, and sounds gorgeous right out of the box, its totally playable and even magical on a first play. But it shares that Audiobro DNA. Some of the more advanced concepts eluded me initially, took me a while to grapple with it, they definitely have an idiosyncratic way of doing things. But there is always reason in their apparent madness. The flexibility, scope and depth is ridiculous, and the attention to detail and QC superb.
So it took me a few days to get MSB into my template. Not a few continuous days I hasten to add, but all in it was probably something like 8 hours I'd guess. The library is vast, and that's one of the reasons why it took so long, and I wanted a very specific configuration that took some time to get organised. Now its exactly how I want it at the push of a button in Cubase / VE Pro, and I adore it.
FWIW, my own head could never really get round VSL's player. The grid system still baffles me to this day, and goodness knows I've tried to get it. Eventually I can make it do what I want, but its a lot of trial and a lot of error. What is intuitive to one person is arcane to another I guess. So you absolutely have my sympathies with not getting concepts. But it sounds like the AudioBro way might not be your way.
Thank you for your very informative posts, Guy. Do you think that MSB's sound and playability can also enthusiasm a more indie-pop/singer-songwriter? Or is it strictly focused at the big screen brass (the only two demo's I could find are). Having a hard time deciding what could be my brass library. Spitfire Studio or Symphonic even? CSB? MSB? Or stick with the NI brass solo anf ensembles essentials that came with komplete? Any advice highly appreciated.
Thank you for your very informative posts, Guy. Do you think that MSB's sound and playability can also enthusiasm a more indie-pop/singer-songwriter? Or is it strictly focused at the big screen brass (the only two demo's I could find are). Having a hard time deciding what could be my brass library. Spitfire Studio or Symphonic even? CSB? MSB? Or stick with the NI brass solo anf ensembles essentials that came with komplete? Any advice highly appreciated.
Just in case its of any use to anyone still considering the library, here's a half an hour whizz through of it in my template:
@Guy Rowland
Thanks for the video, very appreciated.
Out of curiosity: I see that the NKIs are locked. Is this correct? In the Audiobro videos they aren't. But I think this shouldn't be a problem.
Ah, just shut it down for the day... you mean locked from editing under the hood? I'll check tomorrow, someone else may well have chimed in by then. (You can tell how I often I want to dive under the hood by the fact I haven't noticed, or even really know what to notice - I figure anything under there on a library like MSB is going to be so massively complicated I may as well not bother...)
I could be wrong - so often am - but I'd advise against it for you, Suntower. Not because it isn't excellent - it absolutely is - and not because you can't work super-quickly with it - you can. And not because the UI isn't much better than LASS - it is. But because you never found the time to make LASS work for you, and MSB, in that sense, is perhaps similar, I fear the worst in your case.
LASS is a library that requires some heavy lifting to get it set up working for you. It might be the hardest around in that regard, the ARC has some really tricky concepts to get your head around. But if you spent the time with it, getting it set up (I have a video on this somewhere) then it will pay you back massively. It will be superquick to work with in practice, because you put in the hours upfront to tailor it just to how you need it. And because their programming, editing and recording is so slick, you'll be spending a lot less time in the end working around various deficiencies.
MSB IS much simpler, and sounds gorgeous right out of the box, its totally playable and even magical on a first play. But it shares that Audiobro DNA. Some of the more advanced concepts eluded me initially, took me a while to grapple with it, they definitely have an idiosyncratic way of doing things. But there is always reason in their apparent madness. The flexibility, scope and depth is ridiculous, and the attention to detail and QC superb.
So it took me a few days to get MSB into my template. Not a few continuous days I hasten to add, but all in it was probably something like 8 hours I'd guess. The library is vast, and that's one of the reasons why it took so long, and I wanted a very specific configuration that took some time to get organised. Now its exactly how I want it at the push of a button in Cubase / VE Pro, and I adore it.
FWIW, my own head could never really get round VSL's player. The grid system still baffles me to this day, and goodness knows I've tried to get it. Eventually I can make it do what I want, but its a lot of trial and a lot of error. What is intuitive to one person is arcane to another I guess. So you absolutely have my sympathies with not getting concepts. But it sounds like the AudioBro way might not be your way.
IOW: If one -is- diligent, can one make real music? I hate to sound so cynical, but I've bought one too many 500-600 libs that are only suitable for video game scoring due to crap articulations/transitions.
oh my!Why do you think "video game scoring" isn't "real music"?
Why do you think "video game scoring" isn't "real music"?IOW: If one -is- diligent, can one make real music? I hate to sound so cynical, but I've bought one too many 500-600 libs that are only suitable for video game scoring due to crap articulations/transitions.
+1id be quite ignorant if i were to say that something isnt music when it does not apply to my point of view.
I love videogame music!!
video game music isn't real music?! well thats a first....
Sorry, I wanted to quote your whole post including your quote of Suntowers post.Not sure why you guys are quoting me instead of @Suntower,
OH GREAT YET ANOTHER SAMPLE LIB DEVELOPER HAS DEVELOPED YET ANOTHER BESPOKE SYSTEM! The arrogance just blows my mind sometimes.
My perception is not that video game isn't real music, but the comment is in relation to sample library developers putting out large section epic sounding instruments.video game music isn't real music?! well thats a first....
+1
Me too.Still only two pretty similar demos so far and its been out almost a month...
Seems odd for such a big expensive flagship library.
I really want to hear some "naked" demos of a whole large section playing various genres.