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NoamL

Winter <3
Oh watch out that those horn and trombone octaves are legato! The part that goes Bb3 Ab Bb2 F Bb2 Eb. Sounds like the notes are overlapping in yours.
 

Duncan Krummel

Just Passing Through
Oh watch out that those horn and trombone octaves are legato! The part that goes Bb3 Ab Bb2 F Bb2 Eb. Sounds like the notes are overlapping in yours.

Ah, you’re right! I forget to fix that for the auto-divisi every time. I am so used to monophonic legato behavior.

Edit: replaced the file with a correct legato version in the above post.
 
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Pontus Rufelt

Active Member
I'm surprised that there's not more discussion about the Intuition patches, those are to me some of the most interesting aspects of the library together with the variable attack on the regular legatos and sustains. They even have breath controller and ROLI presets for the intuition patches which are definitely intriguing.

This is a really sloppy example of intuition stuff together with a CSB tuba and a tiny bit of CSB solo trumpet layered in with an intuition trumpet. A sloppy example as I mentioned, but just to showcase that there's some really cool possibilities in expression in this library.

 

AllanH

Senior Member
I'm surprised that there's not more discussion about the Intuition patches, those are to me some of the most interesting aspects of the library together with the variable attack on the regular legatos and sustains. They even have breath controller and ROLI presets for the intuition patches which are definitely intriguing.
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Would you mind explaining what the Intuition patches are? I do not (yet) have MSB?
Thanks!
 

Duncan Krummel

Just Passing Through
Would you mind explaining what the Intuition patches are? I do not (yet) have MSB?
Thanks!
They're hybrid sample/modeling patches, where - from what I can understand from the manual - the base is the same sample content from the rest of the library, but with "modeled legato, embouchure pressure, and other dimension of realtime performance without delays."

Here's a quick demo of the exact same MIDI file with the 1st Trumpet and the 1st Intuition Trumpet, both Bb:


Edit: Changed dead SoundCloud links to Dropbox.
 
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AllanH

Senior Member
They're hybrid sample/modeling patches, where - from what I can understand from the manual - the base is the same sample content from the rest of the library, but with "modeled legato, embouchure pressure, and other dimension of realtime performance without delays."
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Thank you very much for that effort - truly appreciated. Very interesting; the Intuition Legato transitions sound better to me.
 

Eptesicus

Senior Member

Messed with it a bit, so not a simple drop and bounce. Still coming to terms with the dynamic scaling of MSB. CSB growls a bit more a bit sooner, even with the dynamics curve of MSB set more aggressively.


Not quite sure I'm hearing it, are there specific areas it sounds reverse panned?

Edit: Foiled by the acronyms; you're referring to the first MSB Diddy #2 example I posted? In which case, yes, the panning was changed from a semi-circle seating arrangement to a standard orchestral in-situ position. In hindsight I should have done this with the first example too, but I didn't.


That MSB effort is pretty much as good as the CSB one, except i think the wrong dynamics/articulations are being used at the end of yours (at the sfz/crescendo bit)
 

Duncan Krummel

Just Passing Through
That MSB effort is pretty much as good as the CSB one, except i think the wrong dynamics/articulations are being used at the end of yours (at the sfz/crescendo bit)
I didn't mess with the CC data, only how MSB responded to it internally. I imagine the sforzando at the end could be improved by using the actual sfz/cresc articulation, but this was more of a MIDI drop test-case. But the tldr of it is I agree there's a different type of response at the upper end between MSB and CSB.
 
I didn't mess with the CC data, only how MSB responded to it internally. I imagine the sforzando at the end could be improved by using the actual sfz/cresc articulation, but this was more of a MIDI drop test-case. But the tldr of it is I agree there's a different type of response at the upper end between MSB and CSB.
You can tweak the velocity curve to have the timbre breakup later or earlier.
 

Duncan Krummel

Just Passing Through
You can tweak the velocity curve to have the timbre breakup later or earlier.
Correct, which I did push to increase how aggressively MSB was responding to the CC1 data, but even then CSB introduces real bite into the sound much earlier. Personally I find MSB's response more realistic, but a bit less playable without some extra tweaking involved. Though the Intuition patches also bite a bit earlier in the sound as well.
 

axb312

Senior Member

Messed with it a bit, so not a simple drop and bounce. Still coming to terms with the dynamic scaling of MSB. CSB growls a bit more a bit sooner, even with the dynamics curve of MSB set more aggressively.


Not quite sure I'm hearing it, are there specific areas it sounds reverse panned?

Edit: Foiled by the acronyms; you're referring to the first MSB Diddy #2 example I posted? In which case, yes, the panning was changed from a semi-circle seating arrangement to a standard orchestral in-situ position. In hindsight I should have done this with the first example too, but I didn't.

At 0:30 in MSB #2 VSS2/Spaces II, I hear the trumpets coming from the left?
 

AlexanderSchiborr

Senior Member
Comparing Noams Example rendered with CSB and MSB I prefer CSB in that example more. On the other Hand Guys examples posted on the soundboard sounded also good. It seems to boil down when the instrument groups sound "together". It seems for me that CSB has a better sense of room and glue so that the instruments sound together, probably because of that CSB was recorded in situ.
 

Eptesicus

Senior Member
Does MSB have more round robins than CSB? Just listening to the fanfare comparison again and i honestly think the MSB trumpets sound more realistic through that repeated short note phrase.
 

NYC Composer

Senior Member
I don’t get to use horns as much as I’d like, but when I do, I like great sound combined with ease of use. I love AudioBro and have full LASS, but I also love Alex Wallbank’s libraries and have a few of those. They’re simpler to use.

Oddly enough, Nathan Furst’s excellent post may have aimed me more at CSB than MSB.
 

SoNowWhat?

realised I can type here
I don’t get to use horns as much as I’d like, but when I do, I like great sound combined with ease of use. I love AudioBro and have full LASS, but I also love Alex Wallbank’s libraries and have a few of those. They’re simpler to use.

Oddly enough, Nathan Furst’s excellent post may have aimed me more at CSB than MSB.
I'm not sure it's possible to make a bad choice with those two. Both are good so choose what will work best for you (which is exactly what you said so I'm going to shut up now).
 
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