Audiobro Modern Scoring Brass (MSB)

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  1. Guy Rowland

    Guy Rowland Senior Member

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    Great post, Nathan.

    Picking up on a couple of other points from others, I think someone here commented on my Flugelhorn on-the-fly demo as having too much vibrato which wasn't natural for an orchestral piece. Two points on that - first the vibrato is of course optional, secondly I'm a HUGE fan of the Flugelhorn and Euphonium in general and for me they're both going to get some particular love for classic brass band stuff, which imo DOES use vibrato. That's why I naturally lent on it. On vibrato in general, I think it's needed for the trumpets to get some movement in those chords, I think it sounds great on the solo horns and then the Euphonoium / Flugelhorn for band writing, but for most of the rest of the instruments its not really needed.

    Also I think having Bass Trombones, Tenor Trombones, Cimbassi, Euphonium and Tubas makes this among the very best-covered libraries for low end heft. Most of these go down to C1, also, and several are sampled to very nearly this point. Personally I think I'll be able to live without Contrabass Trombones AS WELL.
     
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  2. remembrance

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    Is anyone here able to test MSB in combination with MIR PRO? I'm curious if the sounds are mic-ed "in place" (meaning with panning already applied). With MIR PRO I need the sound to be dead center, for it to do its job correctly.

    Any input is greatly appreciated!
     
  3. Go To 11

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    Dare I also ask if anyone who has both Cinematic Studio Brass and Modern Scoring Brass could do a comparison..? That seems to be the elephant in this here room.
     
  4. ProfoundSilence

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    I would imagine you could use the mono close and tree.
     
  5. Guy Rowland

    Guy Rowland Senior Member

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    Not sure it qualifies as the elephant in the room - go back a few pages and you'll find exactly that in one of Duncan Krummel's posts, an A/B between the two.
     
  6. Go To 11

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    So sorry, right you are!
     
  7. jamwerks

    jamwerks Senior Member

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    From the way you worded this, seems you might never have heard a Ctb Bone + Tuba? You can't miss something you don't know! :thumbsup:
     
  8. Guy Rowland

    Guy Rowland Senior Member

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  9. jamwerks

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    If you have Ark 4, Hendrick dedicated a patch to it: Tuba-Ctrb Bone unison + Euphonium 8va. Not for the faint of heart!
     
  10. Duncan Krummel

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    Additionally, Guy offered the insight that "[MSB is] a bit more precise, and while CSB has a beautifully flattering tone MSB more than holds its own, with perhaps a little less aural hype, as it were, a little less artificially big." This seems to be, ignoring workflow and articulations/instruments available, about exactly the right description of these two libraries in comparison. CSB has a warm, open sound that MSB doesn't out of the box have (you could definitely achieve that, however). And CSB still offers a good amount of flexibility in terms of ensemble building, by adding solo patches to the a2/a4 patches. I'm also more convinced by the sound of the repetitions in CSB, but I've also yet to try incorporating some of Guy's advice about the trumpets in particular. The legato is more pronounced in CSB, but you do have control over this in MSB. All in all, I think (I think) CSB will remain my primary back-bone brass library simply due to its integration with the rest of the Cinematic Studio series, its ease of use, and the quality of the sound (as long as the sound fits, as Nathan pointed out). But MSB covers a lot more ground and for any project allowing of more time, why not get mired in the details a bit?

    You may be pleasantly surprised to know that the Bass Trombone patch offers the same range as the Tuba (pedal E + an artificial extension down to C). That extension sounds totally natural too, they did a good job of that.
     
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  11. ProfoundSilence

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    to be fair, cinebrass uses btb + tuba and I know Rowland has that.

    this is the patch in question

     

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  12. ProfoundSilence

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    I personally Don't go that low on the tuba - so bass bones work fine for me. Cinbasso covers that territory better for my money.

    I've been screen sharing with a friend going through the library - and I'm downloading it :2thumbs: I mostly do more traditional stuff - so the un-hyped sound is perfect for me.
     
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  13. Guy Rowland

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    Ah ha, found it here:



    Sounds really great. But nothing revolutionary to me, confident that MSB could pull off something similar IMO - I'll add it to the test list. I don't know if anyone else has posted any of the Bass Trombone instrument in MSB, I know I haven't yet - one more for the test list.

    And yes indeed ProfoundSilence, I do have that lovely patch. I was wondering if the Contrabassoon added anything over and above (or below?) the Bass trombone and can't say that it's immediately obvious to old cloth-ears here.
     
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  14. jamwerks

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    I haven't bought it yet, but of course on the Ctrb bone those aren't pedal-tones and can be played easier and louder. Pretty sure the bell is also a little bigger making it sound less pinched down that low.
     
  15. Eptesicus

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    Its a tricky one this. As long as MSB sounds as good or nearly as good as CSB, for the money MSB is a no brainer.

    The amount of instruments and versatility you get in MSB for $200 more is crazy.
     
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  16. ProfoundSilence

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    I rarely use the contrabass trombone - I prefer the bass trombone in most registers when it comes to the berlin stuff.

    I can't wait to explore MSB!

    I sent that midi to a friend, and kind of put the ensemble together. Although If you were going to make these "one off patches" to mimic the ark 4 patches - you'd want to fine tune their individual velocity curves and humanization.



    I think its a little overboard with the cuivre on the bass trombone - would have stay mpish to blend like the original patch did.

    EDIT: we got it much closer - by sending the original file I made and kind of volume/blend matching the instruments. coincidently - ark is panned almost exactly the opposite - so it kind of works like a weird dark fugue???

    not entirely sure of his signal chain for MSB, but I know there is a send to altiverb

     

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  17. Eptesicus

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    Which one is which library?
     
  18. ProfoundSilence

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    The fact that you have to ask is a good sign. The one that sounds like it's coming from the left is ark 4 - the sound coming more from the right is MSB
     
  19. holywilly

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    I’m curious about how low brass perform, so far I’m sold to Horns & trumpets!
     
  20. Duncan Krummel

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    Here's another CSB comparison, but also combined. A little less successful trying to work with MSB here, I think. I really wish there were a way to change the depth control presets for all instances at once, but that may be beyond what Kontakt can handle. It may also be interesting to run a demo using only VSS2, similarly to MIR. May be an easier, if not more limited, way of achieving a good seating/depth.







    Edit: Should have clarified this point, no processing other than level matching with Ozone's Maximizer (unless you count MSB's depth control as processing).
     
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