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jbuhler

Senior Member
Having heard the horn walkthrough I took the plunge this morning. Downloaded the entire 160gb library hassle-free in under 2 hours.

I'm pretty gobsmacked. The range and depth is phenomenal, and the tone almost entirely throughout sounds gorgeous. I think the one thing I didn't like in the demos was the trumpets when played divisi at high dynamics, for me this is where that metallic thing comes in, or perhaps a better description is too flat. I find adding vibrato pretty much does the trick to just get some movement going in there and get rid of that oddly sterile tone. For me it doesn't seem to apply to the other instruments (and the vibrato, by the way, works FAR better than I feared it would).

I've posted about a dozen short audio clips of some first impressions of the different instruments over on The Sound Board, playing the legato / longs patches. In time I'll do a proper video walkthrough or two which I'll post here, but I'll leave that til I've properly got my head round all the options. It's a busy few weeks so bear with me!

But in short... I've grown an extra arm just to give this three thumbs up. Can't believe its only $599, bargain of the year IMO.
How demanding is the library on resources when fully loaded in? Will you be able to load up your brass and have RAM left over for other instruments?
 

SoNowWhat?

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Having heard the horn walkthrough I took the plunge this morning. Downloaded the entire 160gb library hassle-free in under 2 hours.

I'm pretty gobsmacked. The range and depth is phenomenal, and the tone almost entirely throughout sounds gorgeous. I think the one thing I didn't like in the demos was the trumpets when played divisi at high dynamics, for me this is where that metallic thing comes in, or perhaps a better description is too flat. I find adding vibrato pretty much does the trick to just get some movement going in there and get rid of that oddly sterile tone. For me it doesn't seem to apply to the other instruments (and the vibrato, by the way, works FAR better than I feared it would).

I've posted about a dozen short audio clips of some first impressions of the different instruments over on The Sound Board, playing the legato / longs patches. In time I'll do a proper video walkthrough or two which I'll post here, but I'll leave that til I've properly got my head round all the options. It's a busy few weeks so bear with me!

But in short... I've grown an extra arm just to give this three thumbs up. Can't believe its only $599, bargain of the year IMO.
Thank you Guy. Again.
I’d also like to know what you think of resource usage.
And can I ask you about placement and if you’ve looked at that? How well does it work using the tools included? Or with third party tools and if so which?
I know that’s demanding but anything you can say or manage to do is appreciated. Thank you again.

I’ve just dropped funds on some new hardware as I wasn’t fully on board but reading your comments (and about to listen on Soundboard) I might have to earn some more funds pronto.
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
How demanding is the library on resources when fully loaded in? Will you be able to load up your brass and have RAM left over for other instruments?
Well, I'm 98% sure I'm going to put the Close / Decca / Surround onto rust, the differences are really small in this hall, it's nothing like as pronounced as for an ambient library. Incidentally I think this could be the same hall as LASS, confirming what I've always thought that the single mix they provided for LASS works just fine (it was a mix of close, Decca and Surround just as with MSB AFAIK), and others are just bloat really.

So loading up the following Full Mix only patches with all artics loaded:

Horns 1, Trumpets, Piccolo Trumpets, Bones, Cimbassi, Tuba, Flugelhorn, Euphonium and a couple of Intuition patches comes to 3.67gb on preload buffers of 18k. That's really very reasonable imo. I run disabled in VE Pro and usually purged, but I know some of these patches aren't DFD, so will likely break it down into a few different patches some of which will be purged and some not. Though TBH these figures are so low I may as well run them unpurged but disabled.

SoNowWhat - I've not yet touched placement tools yet, finding the defaults a perfectly good start though. I've added some dry (in both senses of the word) examples of the different mic mixes without reverb, along with some dynamics tests on the shorts.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
Well, I'm 98% sure I'm going to put the Close / Decca / Surround onto rust, the differences are really small in this hall, it's nothing like as pronounced as for an ambient library. Incidentally I think this could be the same hall as LASS, confirming what I've always thought that the single mix they provided for LASS works just fine (it was a mix of close, Decca and Surround just as with MSB AFAIK), and others are just bloat really.

So loading up the following Full Mix only patches with all artics loaded:

Horns 1, Trumpets, Piccolo Trumpets, Bones, Cimbassi, Tuba, Flugelhorn, Euphonium and a couple of Intuition patches comes to 3.67gb on preload buffers of 18k. That's really very reasonable imo. I run disabled in VE Pro and usually purged, but I know some of these patches aren't DFD, so will likely break it down into a few different patches some of which will be purged and some not. Though TBH these figures are so low I may as well run them unpurged but disabled.

SoNowWhat - I've not yet touched placement tools yet, finding the defaults a perfectly good start though. I've added some dry (in both senses of the word) examples of the different mic mixes without reverb, along with some dynamics tests on the shorts.
thanks for this run down.
 

Go To 11

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https://thesoundboard.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3281&p=48808#p48808 (hope this is ok, mods let me know if not and I'll zap). I just discovered the Intuition patches and they are absolutely stunning, I put a couple of quick demos of those up too.
Thanks so much for all these amazing examples! Really great to hear the library in isolation. It does sound fantastic. Longs, shorts, mic mixes - we owe you one! I believe the library was recorded in Studio 22 in Budapest where they also recorded Genesis and the NI Symphonic Strings (made by AudioBro): https://www.budapestfilmorchestra.com/studios
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
Actually comparing to CSB or WA 2FH or Organic Samples Horn lib.

to be fair, I'm pretty sure CSB and WA have probably the most ridiculous top dynamic of any horn library I've heard ever. You'll never get players to put out that much air in real life anyways - so it's not a tremendous loss. CSB is blistering, and if WA had 4 players with the same lungs on them I think I'd be pressing charges.

Outside of those 2 libraries - getting a LEGATO patch with that amount of cuivre is pretty wild. I'm not sure what music you listen to that features that dynamic held for any reasonable length of time. Maybe you're confusing real life with a whole generation of sample music?
 

Duncan Krummel

New Member
I think the one thing I didn't like in the demos was the trumpets when played divisi at high dynamics, for me this is where that metallic thing comes in, or perhaps a better description is too flat. I find adding vibrato pretty much does the trick to just get some movement going in there and get rid of that oddly sterile tone.
I have agree with this sentiment about the trumpets, and it had been foiling any good attempt at creating a demo for the shorts. Finally realized the trumpets just sound off, or at least I haven't found a convincing setting for them. The differences between the same phrases played by a tutti patch and separate solo patches is also something worth investigating.

That composition is far too beautiful to just be left as a forty second fiddling, even if that's how it began, it is gorgeous and could be expanded out to a longer composition.
Thank you! I may very well turn it into something more, once my plate clears up a bit. But I appreciate all of the kind words from everyone :grin:
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
Thanks everyone for the comments and examples. The horn and trumpet videos along with @Guy Rowland's examples have convinced me that the library is not overly fussy and Guy's comments suggest it will not demand too many resources. I didn't especially like the sound of the trombones in Guy's examples nor the euphoniums or flugelhorns. The trombones are especially concerning, and I await Audiobro's closer look on them. The tuba sounds great, but I had a sense this was a gem from the initial walkthrough video. Some additional contextual demos that show how the instruments sit in an orchestral context or comments from those who have the library about how much (if at all) you have to tweak the instruments to get them to sit would be appreciated.
 

ka00

Senior Member
Wow, these playthroughs sound excellent. A very clear and present sound with fantastic legato. Wish I had the money to spend now, but I’ll have to wait for the next time the price goes down to this level.
 

axb312

Senior Member
to be fair, I'm pretty sure CSB and WA have probably the most ridiculous top dynamic of any horn library I've heard ever. You'll never get players to put out that much air in real life anyways - so it's not a tremendous loss. CSB is blistering, and if WA had 4 players with the same lungs on them I think I'd be pressing charges.

Outside of those 2 libraries - getting a LEGATO patch with that amount of cuivre is pretty wild. I'm not sure what music you listen to that features that dynamic held for any reasonable length of time. Maybe you're confusing real life with a whole generation of sample music?
What is true is not a lot of sample libraries capture this dynamic. What is also true is that CSB and WA 2FH did it with real horn players.

Most compositions would probably have the modwheel going to 100-110 at max, but it's nice to have that extra power there when you need it.
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
Thanks everyone for the comments and examples. The horn and trumpet videos along with @Guy Rowland's examples have convinced me that the library is not overly fussy and Guy's comments suggest it will not demand too many resources. I didn't especially like the sound of the trombones in Guy's examples nor the euphoniums or flugelhorns. The trombones are especially concerning, and I await Audiobro's closer look on them. The tuba sounds great, but I had a sense this was a gem from the initial walkthrough video. Some additional contextual demos that show how the instruments sit in an orchestral context or comments from those who have the library about how much (if at all) you have to tweak the instruments to get them to sit would be appreciated.
Can you put your finger on what you don't like about those instruments? I'm pretty delighted with all three, ecstatic with the flugelhorns actually.
 

Geoff Grace

Senior Member
What is true is not a lot of sample libraries capture this dynamic. What is also true is that CSB and WA 2FH did it with real horn players.
Perhaps the distinction to make is of what's possible vs what's probable.

I've attended orchestral recording sessions, but I've never attended an orchestral sampling session. That said, I imagine the process of sampling an orchestral instrument (or sections) to be more akin to vocal tracking and comping than to orchestral tracking. In other words, through sampling, you can capture exceptional performances and then play them over and over again at the keyboard as if they were commonplace.

While it's always good to have options, it's probably also wise to consider how things will sound under normal conditions—especially if a mockup is being used to provide an example of how an orchestra will sound.

Of course, if the piece you're working on is the ends and not the means, then all that matters is getting the sound you want. In a world in which quantizing and Auto Tune are commonplace, an exceptionally blistering brass part will fade into the woodwork.

Best,

Geoff
 
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