I'm repeating myself, but... if this isn't a professional demo, I don't know what is. It's *exactly* scoring- SCORING BRASS:
https://audiobro.com/modern-scoring-brass/
Wanker Star Wars sequence pasted in without being adjusted to any library is going to sound like wanker Star Wars sequence with any library.
Wow, this is what I wanted to hear. One of the first demos I really like, and actually prefer MSB for this kind of choral brass writing. If you have time Duncan, could you do a short and fast fanfare with both shorts and longs with MSB?
Not yet. And it doesn't seem to get any better or worse based on how much load is on the system. It stutters the same whether it's full mix, individual mics patched loaded, a full section or a single instrument, etc. I will investigate and use the manual more this afternoon to see if it isn't fixable. If I can't fix it myself I'll go to their support forum.Have you managed to solve the stuttering problem you mentioned upthread?
So I posted this demo when I first got my hands on CSB, for which I was most impressed by that particular libraries lower, chorale-fitting dynamics. Picked up MSB immediately for the auto-divisi and extra brass that neither CSB nor HWB had provided. MSB is certainly a different beast, but the reputation that LASS set forward and that even Genesis still carried is that these libraries need to be tweaked to fit what you're using them for. I replaced the CSB instruments with their MSB counterparts in the second demo below.
CSB only has C trumpets available, whereas MSB offers both C and Bb (1st - C, 2nd - Bb, 3rd - Bb, 4th - C). With the CSB demo, I transposed the second solo trumpet down and bumped the MIDI up by a whole step to emulate a Bb trumpet, which was necessary to get a strong timbral difference between the two. For MSB, I used the first and third trumpets, so both were Bb. This was for the richer tone in the lower range. I preferred the strong legato transitions of CSB, so I increased the volume of transitions in MSB by about 1db each, and lowered the legato speed of each instrument to the lowest setting. I used the Scoring/Film Stage depth control preset on each and made a virtual semi-circle to create a seating arrangement. I also used the mix mics on each at their default, and then brought in some extra close mic to add bite. Sizzle is also set to it's highest setting (this is a very subtle effect). Vibrato is controllable in this library, something CSB does not offer control of. This is set by default to CC2, which actually makes it very easy to copy parts between CSS and MSB. Finally, I set attack control to Velocity (trying to get closer to a CSB workflow since I was copying MIDI data), and raised the velocity response on the Horn a bit to have it respond quicker to the MIDI data. All CC1 data was bumped up from where it was set for CSB, as this library is generally softer than CSB.
Other than the stage presets, all other internal processing was turned off. Similar to the CSB example, the only external processing was a little Spaces II War Memorial and then the Ozone Maximizer to match the volume of the examples.
Edit: I now user demos are in high demand, so - while I work full time - let me know if there are features you'd like to learn more about and I can post accompanying examples when I have a moment.
Anyone using MSB with a breath controller? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere how friendly this thing is to TEControl BBC2.
Great download speeds btw, solid server.
So I posted this demo when I first got my hands on CSB, for which I was most impressed by that particular libraries lower, chorale-fitting dynamics. Picked up MSB immediately for the auto-divisi and extra brass that neither CSB nor HWB had provided. MSB is certainly a different beast, but the reputation that LASS set forward and that even Genesis still carried is that these libraries need to be tweaked to fit what you're using them for. I replaced the CSB instruments with their MSB counterparts in the second demo below.
CSB only has C trumpets available, whereas MSB offers both C and Bb (1st - C, 2nd - Bb, 3rd - Bb, 4th - C). With the CSB demo, I transposed the second solo trumpet down and bumped the MIDI up by a whole step to emulate a Bb trumpet, which was necessary to get a strong timbral difference between the two. For MSB, I used the first and third trumpets, so both were Bb. This was for the richer tone in the lower range. I preferred the strong legato transitions of CSB, so I increased the volume of transitions in MSB by about 1db each, and lowered the legato speed of each instrument to the lowest setting. I used the Scoring/Film Stage depth control preset on each and made a virtual semi-circle to create a seating arrangement. I also used the mix mics on each at their default, and then brought in some extra close mic to add bite. Sizzle is also set to it's highest setting (this is a very subtle effect). Vibrato is controllable in this library, something CSB does not offer control of. This is set by default to CC2, which actually makes it very easy to copy parts between CSS and MSB. Finally, I set attack control to Velocity (trying to get closer to a CSB workflow since I was copying MIDI data), and raised the velocity response on the Horn a bit to have it respond quicker to the MIDI data. All CC1 data was bumped up from where it was set for CSB, as this library is generally softer than CSB.
Other than the stage presets, all other internal processing was turned off. Similar to the CSB example, the only external processing was a little Spaces II War Memorial and then the Ozone Maximizer to match the volume of the examples.
Edit: I know user demos are in high demand, so - while I work full time - let me know if there are features you'd like to learn more about and I can post accompanying examples when I have a moment.
Hello Patrick,
Can you say what was not to your liking and what their advice was?
I used the TEController (1.0) for all of my MSB brass lines, works great!Anyone using MSB with a breath controller? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere how friendly this thing is to TEControl BBC2.
Great download speeds btw, solid server.
I think both sounds wonderful, maybe I like the timbre of MSB a bit more in your demo.So I posted this demo when I first got .
Here's a couple renditions of the euphonium solo from Holst's second suite in F. It's better than the others I've posted so far as I think this library has a lot of potential for controlling the very minute details of short notes as is asked of the brass in this excerpt. There's one which is completely dry and one which has some spaces II on it.
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/holst_suite_2-mp3.19594/][/AUDIOPLUS]
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/holst_suite_2_dry-mp3.19595/][/AUDIOPLUS]
my hornberg hb1 greatAnyone using MSB with a breath controller? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere how friendly this thing is to TEControl BBC2.
Great download speeds btw, solid server.
Sure: i thought that the shorts were not tight enough.
But in order to have really tight fast shorts, you must:
- Select the shorts (via KS in my case)
- Set the Tighten knob all the way up, which by default was all the way down.
Make sure to be in Tile mode (i think that it now is set this way by default) , so that any change you make to your articulation are recalled when switching articulations and coming back to it.
- Use CC4 to select double tongue
- adjust CC1 for sharper timber (or not)
- also, pick the humanization setting you prefer: humanization off is the tightest
This seems like a lot to do, but you can save your patch with your preference settings and it is no longer an issue...
I use the EWI, and love it.I'm also saving for an EWI controller, any users here? So excited to learn a new instrument.![]()
I don't think the star wars fanfare someone posted above was a fair representation. This one is a bit better.
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/star_wars-mp3.19600/][/AUDIOPLUS]
I'm repeating myself, but... if this isn't a professional demo, I don't know what is. It's *exactly* scoring- SCORING BRASS:
https://audiobro.com/modern-scoring-brass/
Wanker Star Wars sequence pasted in without being adjusted to any library is going to sound like wanker Star Wars sequence with any library.
It takes very little breath, so if you play a wind instrument already, you need to scale back a lot, and possibly let some air out through the sides of you mouth.