Audiobro Modern Scoring Brass (MSB)

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by zolhof, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Duncan Krummel

    Duncan Krummel New Member

    Aug 23, 2018
    Allston, MA
    Sorry for the confusion! Mucusman had it right, I was referring to the demo with CSB. CSB only contains a single C trumpet patch, so I pitch shifted it down a whole step and transposed the MIDI up a whole step to account for the difference. Ergo, my Frankensteinian Bb trumpet.

    MSB on the other hand has dedicated Bb and C trumpets, so this wan't needed. I should also mention both that I used separate instances for each instrument instead of the auto divisi here, as I was moving MIDI parts between libraries and also needed independent CC control, and also that - while yes, I did copy parts from a previous demo - I did manipulate the MIDI CC data and wrote CC2 data just for this for the vibrato. But I also wanted to make the point that it copies very nicely by default from CSB, with only minor tweaks. That will certainly be a huge timesaver for me, and I imagine for many others with both libraries as well.
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  2. Eptesicus

    Eptesicus Senior Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    Thanks for the demo Duncan. I certainly think MSB edges it there. Sounds very warm and soulful.
  3. Damarus

    Damarus Active Member

    Nov 15, 2017
    I wish I could like this more than once.
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  4. Duncan Krummel

    Duncan Krummel New Member

    Aug 23, 2018
    Allston, MA
    Be happy to, and thank you for the kind words! I'll work something up when I'm home tonight.

    Also, can't find the muddy comment on my phone, but you're not far off! I had to mix the trombone down a bit and make the horn a bit more strident, but as a whole these two instruments in particular I found to be a bit mellower and warmer than need be for this example. So I think, all said and done with the verb, it ended up a bit muddy down there.
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  5. kevthurman

    kevthurman Active Member

    Dec 18, 2018
    Not yet. And it doesn't seem to get any better or worse based on how much load is on the system. It stutters the same whether it's full mix, individual mics patched loaded, a full section or a single instrument, etc. I will investigate and use the manual more this afternoon to see if it isn't fixable. If I can't fix it myself I'll go to their support forum.
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  6. Phillip996

    Phillip996 New Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    Were you using indivudual tracks for all the instruments or did you use the combined tracks?
  7. OP

    zolhof Active Member

    Jun 27, 2014
    Silent Hill
    Anyone using MSB with a breath controller? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere how friendly this thing is to TEControl BBC2.

    Great download speeds btw, solid server.
  8. NYC Composer

    NYC Composer Senior Member

    Jul 24, 2008
    Boy, listening to Duncan's demos, all I can say is that those two are great brass choices. I don't know how you could go wrong with either.
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  9. Nicola74

    Nicola74 Member

    May 9, 2017
    I don't own MSB yet, but with Genesis the breathcontroller is great!
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  10. I like music

    I like music Senior Member

    Oct 26, 2015
    Quite apart from the comparison, a very nice piece. Your own? Wondered if you had a MIDI that you'd be OK sharing. Obviously, no problem if not!
  11. Sure: i thought that the shorts were not tight enough.
    But in order to have really tight fast shorts, you must:
    - Select the shorts (via KS in my case)
    - Set the Tighten knob all the way up, which by default was all the way down.
    Make sure to be in Tile mode (i think that it now is set this way by default) , so that any change you make to your articulation are recalled when switching articulations and coming back to it.
    - Use CC4 to select double tongue
    - adjust CC1 for sharper timber (or not)

    - also, pick the humanization setting you prefer: humanization off is the tightest

    This seems like a lot to do, but you can save your patch with your preference settings and it is no longer an issue...
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2019
  12. I used the TEController (1.0) for all of my MSB brass lines, works great!
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  13. OleJoergensen

    OleJoergensen Senior Member

    Jul 16, 2015
    I think both sounds wonderful, maybe I like the timbre of MSB a bit more in your demo.
    It is a lovely chorlal! Is it your own composition?
    Thank you for sharing.
  14. May i suggest that you quantize your lines too much, and that the tempo is too rigid for best results?
    It doesn't feel like it was performed by human beings...
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  15. richard kurek

    richard kurek Active Member

    Jul 28, 2017
    my hornberg hb1 great
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  16. OP

    zolhof Active Member

    Jun 27, 2014
    Silent Hill
    Awesome, I'm glad to hear that! After using a breath controller with Sample Modeling, it's hard to look back.

    I'm also saving for an EWI controller, any users here? So excited to learn a new instrument. :dancedance:
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  17. Noeticus

    Noeticus Motion Picture Producer

    Apr 21, 2019
    Thanks, Patrick. While it might take a bit, it's way faster than using live people with real instruments. : )
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  18. David Cuny

    David Cuny Words! Words! Words!

    May 8, 2018
    I use the EWI, and love it.

    Initially, it's a bit weird playing without the keys moving - sort of like playing a broomstick (or a recorder, for that matter).

    It takes very little breath, so if you play a wind instrument already, you need to scale back a lot, and possibly let some air out through the sides of you mouth.

    Once you work out the basic fingering, you should check out the extensive alternate fingerings, as they can come in quite handy.

    You can make a wireless USB EWI with off the shelf hardware for about $150 in additional parts:
    1. Yamaha UD-BT01 ($50)
    2. CME Widi Bud ($50)
    3. Short USB cord ($10)
    4. Portable cell phone battery charger ($15)
    5. Velcro ($5)
    I'd highly recommend going that route if you do any live playing. The additional hardware weighs virtually nothing, and it's much nicer than being tied to a USB cable.
  19. NoamL

    NoamL Winter <3

    Jul 6, 2015
    Los Angeles
    Sounds like something that would come with Finale, I'm afraid.

    Yeah but there's a middle ground to this Nick.

    Anyone can have their own opinions but I discount both ends of the spectrum. I discount the importance of user demos because people are still learning how to use the library and sometimes the demos are bad copypasted MIDI. But I also discount the developer's demos especially dressed ones. As JunkieXL says in one of his videos, spending weeks to iron out a super polished demo has little to do with how working composers do it.

    That's why developer walkthrough videos are really the best, assuming they're comprehensive and honest, because you get to see the library used live, without processing, by someone who knows how it works.
  20. givemenoughrope

    givemenoughrope Senior Member

    Aug 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    I’m sick of the demo dance too. It’s almost like we should all throw re-peat or rob or some mockup monster a few $€£ so they can buy libraries and do a few mockups.

    That said, I’m pretty sure that Audiobro, given their reputation with LASS, has made a solid and malleable library. If users know how to use it...another story... I’m not prepared to dismiss it on the basis of three demos. Not by a long shot.
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