Audiobro Modern Scoring Brass (MSB)

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by zolhof, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. NoamL

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    :whistling: ;)

    Yes, the range is mp-fff. Although the fff is only available on the marcato legato (instead of regular legato) but you can switch to it fairly seamlessly during a crescendo as shown here.

    I would love to have true, ultra mellow p and pp brass samples but it seems like you need to buy Albion 5 or Metropolis Ark 2 to get em.

    I would rather be missing the bottom end than the top though. I can tell you from comparing CSB to other libraries like Berlin Brass, Hollywood Brass etc., this is the only one that has true fff. (although the horns in Hollywood Brass are pretty great) It might not sound totally overwhelming at the ending crescendo there, but that's because in a real orchestration it would be buttressed by high winds, string tremolos, and above all the timpani and cymbal.
     
  2. HelixK

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    Sorry, I don't share your excitement, the official demos didn't make a good impression on me. I talk about this particular track here: https://vi-control.net/community/th...-scoring-brass-msb.76944/page-32#post-4378321

    I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more than two fully dressed demo tracks to judge a $600 brass library. I need a lot more than that to make an informed decision and open my wallet.

    I usually trust my gut feeling and was hoping the user demos would redeem MSB. Unfortunately, what I heard so far -- thanks for sharing -- only confirmed my initial thoughts about it. At least I'm saving $600 for the JXL library or the upcoming ProjectSAM library.
     
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  3. HelixK

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    Thanks for sharing, this is bad on a whole new level... did you accidentally flip some switch that made the trumpets sound like a 1967 Volkswagen Beetle horn?

    I would love to read the manual, is there one included?
     
  4. Guy Rowland

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    Uhhh.... I don’t know what’s going on here. I do know for a fact that there is a very detailed manual included in the download.

    I don’t presume to know or say what some of the current apparent problems are, but I’m near-certain that this isn’t how MSB is supposed to sound. I also know that Audiobro have terrific support, and they are very responsive on their forum, if there are issues that would be the first place I’d go.

    I guess this whole thing does show the perils of launching without enough demos and supporting material. First impressions are hard to break. I guess finishing and tweaking the instrument itself ate up all their time, because they did originally state that they would be drip feeding demos before release, and that clearly went out the window. It feels at this point that they need to do damage limitation, which is never an enviable place to be.

    It is all quite surprising. It has taken them 10 years to get this to market, I can’t imagine how long to record, edit and script. Their QC is known as being about the best in the business, and I presume this is what has eaten into their time. So it’s all, um, surprising.
     
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  5. AlexanderSchiborr

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    What I notice is that MSB at least how I perceive it in the demos and walkthrough sound a way too clean (for my taste) regarding intonation and tuning which imo results in sounding kind of midi-ish / synthetic.

    Apart from that I find the trumpets lacking in bite and crisp on the short articulations, which is something I hoped that they get that better for that kind of rousing fanfarish writing. I have a liking for their horns and tuba though. Also as this is something what confuses me still that they did write on their page that the instruments going from true dynamics ppp up to fff I simply I don´t hear that. I know it is not all about that blattey sound all but also the very quite dynamics and in their walkthrough when the modwheel is at 0 percent it definitely is at best a piano dynamic level.

    Sometimes I think that this long promising list what they created on their page creates HUGE expectations for the crowd and when they don´t deliver everything in that regards it easily dissapoints the people. It´s dangerous to write things like this for instance:

    "We know that “next generation” are words that get thrown around very liberally by sample library developers, but we think in this case you’ll agree."

    Such things create super high expactations and while I think that this is great that they set very high goals for themselves, the risk to fail is high..

    Is that library a next-gen library? Hm...so far, what I read from the peoples impression its not even on par with libraries which are already been out. Now don´t get it too salty: I actually like some stuff in their brass quite a lot, and some stuff just definitely not where I have to agree with the peoples critic here.

    It reminds me a bit on the synchron strings with their re-invented legato and next gen library. They had big plans but it wasn´t convincing in the end. I hope that the guys from Audiobro will take some of the critic in consideration, or..which I have 50 percent hope for that they show more of the library which helps iron out the negative impressions which people have so far.
     
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  6. Eptesicus

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    hmmm, the user demos so far have not been good.

    Starting to sway back more towards CSB now...
     
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  7. Eptesicus

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    What on earth is this? Sounds like it was played with the Sibelius stock instruments, not a $600 2019 cutting edge brass library.
     
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  8. I like music

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    Maybe they had all the instances loaded but routed to the wrong library? That is the only hope here ...
     
  9. jamwerks

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    Beware of members who speak like amateurs, and post bad sounding demos!!
     
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  10. Rasmus Hartvig

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    »Help me, MIDI routed to the wrong library. You're my only hope!«
     
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  11. Henu

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    I just got a sudden urge to play Leisure Suit Larry 6, Day of the Tentacle and Warcraft II.
     
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  12. AlexanderSchiborr

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    Much love to these games :D I still have WC II Tides of Darkness expansion here. Don´t forget SOTMI and Indiana Jones 4 :D
     
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  13. Henu

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    Don't get me started derailing this with praises, WC II was THE reason for me to want to compose game music in the first place! ;) I freaking LOVE it and listen to it regularly to this date, haha! Not even mentioning those others...huh. Everything from either Blizzard or LucasArts is 100% gold for me.
     
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  14. AlexanderSchiborr

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    Well thats a bit of an exxegeration, it def. sounds like a brass library..:laugh::thumbsup:
     
  15. Go To 11

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    Can anyone who owns the library confirm if the samples are really ppp to fff?
     
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  16. richard kurek

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    finally downloaded , finding the library a breath of fresh air , as i mentioned before , faults in every library , with my morning coffee , substituting the horns in a piece i'm working on , i'm hearing its easier to fit in a mix , the tones have an up front sound, much work to do but enjoying this library
     
  17. For the sake of comparison, I've made a mockup of your short piece with... "another true divisi brass library". :whistling: This is not a MSB Mockup !

    Here it is for those interested.



    Edit : This could obviously sound better with some EQ, but thought it would be better to keep the demo totally raw as an exemple.
     
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  18. AlexanderSchiborr

    AlexanderSchiborr Senior Member

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    Sounds really nice, what did you use here?
     
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  19. Raphioli

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    Its probably Berlin Brass.
    This makes me wish they'd sample the upper dynamics for that library.(at least for the sustains/legatos)

    Edited: The intro rhythm reminds me of Hook, by John Williams. Love that score.
     
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  20. Yes, that's Berlin.
    I also wish the sustains had an additional dynamic layer. Good thing with this library is it is so extensively sampled there are several ways to do the same thing. So there is almost always a marcato or fortepiano sample to save your *ss :)
     

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