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Audiobro Modern Scoring Brass (MSB)

mcalis

Active Member
While I'm not sold on the sound, I am deeply impressed with the amount of content on offer. I would like to congratulate Audiobro on the monumental effort to record and edit a library of this calibre If past Audiobro products are anything to go by the QA will be stellar and the sound will be flexible enough to alleviate people's concerns. I'm still hopeful and I'm very impressed with the price tag.

Let's not all forget how many workhours go into a product like this. Of course people are free to dislike it, but at the least I can respect the time and effort that went into creating this. I nearly drove myself insane by sampling a piano once and I can't begin to comprehend how much post production this beast took.

Edit: someone asked for session pictures for Genesis last time, I'd love to see some session pictures of MSB too if it's not too much to ask.
 
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constaneum

Senior Member
Was very excited about this one and held on a 40% off Berlin Brass purchase in anticipation (already have Spitfire, Cinebrass and a few other ones.) From the 2 demos I am not convinced: too loud all the time, too many things going on at the same time, too thin and no 'bite.' The walthrough is actually closer to what this library probably is. Based on the 2 demos I would not buy it, based on the walkthrough, however, I am on the fence. Do like very much the GUI and what they've done with the ART (hoping for a LASS3 update with this GUI and feature,) and the pricing is very competitive and hard to resist. Bottom line, I am looking forward to more demos (naked ones!) and more feature specific walkthroughs.
Looking at MSB and Genesis, I guess most likely LASS 3 will be using this interface as well but changing the entire scripts as well as the staging and etc sure will not be a cheap upgrade I suppose ? It's like revamping of the entire interface as well as not forgetting the new sounds.
 

Hanu_H

Senior Member
Just watched the walkthrough for the second time and it sounds just amazing. I think that is the best sounding horns and tuba I've ever heard. Trumpets sound a bit thin but did you notice how dry everything is? It looks like this is going to be a really flexible library that follows the same concept as LASS. It's gonna be one of those libraries that can do anything in the right hands, not one of those instant gratification libraries that sound good when you play a single note but when you try to play a solid line, it just falls apart. Many people don't like the sound of LASS and I am sure those people won't like the sound of MSB either. But when I listen to the different attacks on the horn sustains...well that alone is worth the money. Maybe the name is a bit off, it might give people an impression that this is something like Forzo or Metropolis with a huge, trailer type sound. To me it sounds more like a real brass, perfect for old school orchestral scoring and for classical music. I really like the Reaching The Summit demo as well. It's also a bit weird to blame AudioBro for the demos being too similar, they didn't make the demos. I am sure there will be more soon anyways...
 

Batrawi

Senior Member
Looking at MSB and Genesis, I guess most likely LASS 3 will be using this interface as well but changing the entire scripts as well as the staging and etc sure will not be a cheap upgrade I suppose ? It's like revamping of the entire interface as well as not forgetting the new sounds.
Unless there is new recording content, I wouldn't personally appreciate a charged upgrade to LASS3 for an existing user as myself. Companies should naturally be doing this for the sake of their own product to adapt with the modern market and such benefit should naturally transfer to existing customers who own the product. An increased entry price for future customers would be more logical/justifiable though.
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
Yes, I think some have been far too hasty to denigrate the sound. I can hear some real strengths, and those lighter trumpets might be just perfect for some parts. I still have concerns, but really I think we've heard very little. No look at all at the ensemble or mixer sections, no demo for vibrato in action etc. Even the real basics like smoothly playing through the dynamics across all the core instruments are missing. I feel I've heard about a third of what I want to hear before making a proper decision.

I asked Andrew at the Audiobro forums about more video material. He said more is coming, but the first one will be about template and RAM use. I guess that's important - I know it will have a ton of options for using with limited RAM setups, and that's very welcome, of course. But I really do want to hear more sonics first. I hope they can ramp up the walkthroughs... theirs are very polished which is all well and good but I feel I just want to hear someone playing through the basics and take their time.
 

Nicola74

Member
Only two demos and one fast walkthrough until now, but I have to say I am really impressed! I have LASS 2.5 and Genesis and I love them and I am pretty sure that I am going to love this too :)
 

Hanu_H

Senior Member
Yes. If something like that is in the works, it could very easily turn me into a primarily Audiobro-reliant composer.
That would be the natural step after the already announced LASS update. Let's hope it happens soon!
 

Henu

Senior Member
Those demos sound disturbingly good. Were there any similar (williams/fanfare-esque) - styled pieces posted around done with CSB? I was certain there were some, but after searching for some time I couldn't find any to compare.

EDIT: Not "SCB", naturally.
 
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zolhof

zolhof

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The trumpet examples sound like something straight out of Apollo 13, very similar to Timothy Morrison's rich tone. Nothing thin about it, at least not to my ears. Don't mistake the overprocessed brass sound that plagues virtual instruments with what a real ensemble sounds like. I presume you can dial whatever tone you prefer, from crappy to happy, with the 5 mics mixes and adjustable stage.

And judging by the quick glimpse of the GUI, MSB looks like a programmer's dream. Think "Sample Modeling for dummies" level of control. I think this is going to turn out to be a very versatile library if you don't expect it to do all the heavy lifting for you. :)
 

RogiervG

Member
The demos, as said before, sound thin, overly metallic/harsh.. even the horns. In the video though, the horns and trumpets sound better (less harsh, less metalic, meaning more pleasant to the ears, even on FF/FFF)
So as far as the demos: Might be the compressors/eq'ing used.. or maybe the encoding or maybe they where made with an early version that wasn't properly adjusted yet?
 
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Gingerbread

New Member
Although extremely brief, in the walkthrough video the lower dynamics are played (again, very briefly), and they sound quite beautiful.

AudioBro's libraries are generally known to need a little EQ to bring out a more beautiful tone (with the exception of Genesis), so I suspect a lot of the immediate reaction here is simply reacting to its rawer out-of-the-box philosophy. I'll be interested to see more videos, and what people can get by tweaking the EQ a bit.
 

artomatic

I compose with my E A R S
Had a chance to listen and watch the walkthrough again today after a good night's rest and awesome coffee...
I have to say that my previous comment on MSB yesterday was a bit premature.
The individual instrument patches actually sounded great on their own.
I still think the demos themselves sounded thin as a whole (not just MSB).
Perhaps they deserve better mixing/mastering treatments?
Paying more attention to the limited walkthrough, this library offers more options and flexibility than my other major brass libs.
This thing is loaded with smart patches and articulations - real variable attack control, awesome auto divisi engine, synced trills and crescendos, polyphonic legato, assignable repeat keys, auto rhythm tool, just to name a few.

I'll be $599 poorer come Tuesday. Dang it. :shocked:
 
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