Audiobro Modern Scoring Brass (MSB)

kevthurman

Active Member
As far as I'm concerned, marketing is a virtually moot point. Have patience, do your research, trust your ears, and you will be rewarded.

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Geoff
Yes, i find that I often get wildly different results out of libraries, for good and for bad. Makes it hard to fully gauge how "good" it is... I think the depth of features in the player and the individual instruments will make it worth having for my style of writing anyways.
 

RogiervG

Member
As far as I'm concerned, marketing is a virtually moot point. Have patience, do your research, trust your ears, and you will be rewarded.
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I disagree.. you start to investigate further if the FIRST impression, does well.. ehm.. impress you. :) That's how the brain works. You need to get triggered emotionally. And the trigger is how the marketing (in this case demos) of a product actually aligns with the expectations people get from announcement texts/pictures/news articles of an upcoming product.
And reading here and judging from myself, so far Audiobro did not deliver well on the expectations (a.k.a. first impression) emotionally, based on the demos provided so far...

E.g. i for one (i'm sure there are many more) need to get really convinced the product can deliver the expectations properly, with the price tag and the competition in mind.

If they can convince me (sooner of later) and others (users) too (besides my own researches), i might jump in and purchase the lib. (but then again, i might have to wait till another discount, depending if i am too late for the introduction price and/or if the regular price is too high for my taste in relation to competition offerings )
 
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NoamL

Winter <3
For what it's worth I thought Daniel's demo was impressive writing & very authentic to the style he's trying to do.

Fortissimo is not just loud but that belting, straining sound that lets you know the musicians are pushing their instrument to its limits. Sampling ff on any instrument is hard and there are few libraries that really get there. For strings for instance, I often use Adventure Strings for ff/fff because they captured that level of aggression. I definitely got that feeling from the trumpets in this demo. CSB also does the high dynamics really well, though.
 

Saxer

Senior Member
I think it's best of both worlds: auto divisi ensemble patches and all individual instruments. I like both approaches for different workflows and projects.

What I don't like are those "unison-ensemble plus one solo instrument"-libraries. I never know how to really work with them... chords by using multiple copies of the same solo instruments and switching to the ensemble for unison? Meh...
So this library is really interesting!
 

miket

Senior Member
What I don't like are those "unison-ensemble plus one solo instrument"-libraries. I never know how to really work with them... chords by using multiple copies of the same solo instruments and switching to the ensemble for unison?
That used to bug me too, but I've accepted it. Obviously MSB could be the alternative I've been waiting for, though.
 

gjelul

Active Member
Was very excited about this one and held on a 40% off Berlin Brass purchase in anticipation (already have Spitfire, Cinebrass and a few other ones.) From the 2 demos I am not convinced: too loud all the time, too many things going on at the same time, too thin and no 'bite.' The walthrough is actually closer to what this library probably is. Based on the 2 demos I would not buy it, based on the walkthrough, however, I am on the fence. Do like very much the GUI and what they've done with the ART (hoping for a LASS3 update with this GUI and feature,) and the pricing is very competitive and hard to resist. Bottom line, I am looking forward to more demos (naked ones!) and more feature specific walkthroughs.
 

handz

Senior Member
It sounds a bit thin and dry, but that may be that the demos are dry, it does not sound bad but, well... I still think that Cinebrass has the most beautiful tone there is, wish they made a V2 version of this library, recorder the same way but with more hip programming and more arts
 

erica-grace

Senior Member
Well, the workflow and GUI seem really nice. Like, if you look at 3:49 - 5:00... VERY impressive.

I am still not sold on the sound, tho. The horns sound nice, but don't sound like an ensemble, and the trumpets are panned weird.

The legatos sound good, however.
 

Brian Nowak

Active Member
I think it's best of both worlds: auto divisi ensemble patches and all individual instruments. I like both approaches for different workflows and projects.

What I don't like are those "unison-ensemble plus one solo instrument"-libraries. I never know how to really work with them... chords by using multiple copies of the same solo instruments and switching to the ensemble for unison? Meh...
So this library is really interesting!
My ideal would be to have multiple soloists and ensemble patches. In the cases of things like CSB I just keep my writing simplified. I can generally get away with 2 parts on ensemble patches before it starts to get more noticeable. Or use the ol' Kontakt detune/DAW retune trick on solo instruments. Or I just accept it's gonna get bigger sounding and I curtail my decisions when things start to get synthy.

The idea of auto-divisi is great. I will wait to see more about this library. But based off what I'm hearing it just isn't tricking my trigger.
 

artinro

Active Member
I agree with a lot of the sentiment above. As of now, there's just something about the overall sound I'm not loving. Not sure if that's the particular room, perhaps some stage IRs, reverb, or maybe if the instruments weren't recorded in-situ (is that actually confirmed?). Things also might change with some different mic mixes. The GUI and engine are both brilliant, and the legato sounds fluid and quite responsive. I'm just not convinced by the sound yet, though that could easily change with some more material.
 

chocobitz825

Senior Member
Let’s be honest though, it’s not like this library is being judged on its own. It was announced when CSB and Spitefire brass were announced and dropped. I think since then we’ve had forzo, talos, infinite brass, 90s retro trumpets and a few other come out to fill that area. If it had come out first I might have felt different, but it’s one of the last to come out and other than it’s impressive engine that I enjoyed in genesis, I don’t know how competitive it is compared to the rest. Can’t say it enough, Audiobro folks did some great work, but they just might be a bit late to the party on this one.
 
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miket

Senior Member
I can totally understand concerns about the tone, but the love it/hate it attitude that LASS seems to bring out in people makes me optimistic. LASS can sound dreadful and harsh in the wrong hands (or, if that's just what you're after), and then you give it to someone like Jeremy Soule, and what he does makes me want to throw out all my other strings and just finally buy it.
 

erica-grace

Senior Member
LASS can sound dreadful and harsh in the wrong hands (or, if that's just what you're after), and then you give it to someone like Jeremy Soule, and what he does makes me want to throw out all my other strings and just finally buy it.
Do you have a link to any of Jeremy's cues, where you know the strings are LASS, and not layered with real strings? Would love to hear some! :)
 

miket

Senior Member
I'm pretty sure LASS is doing most of the heavy lifting on Skyrim, as one example. I'm also pretty sure that he rarely, if ever, layers real strings in, but I could be wrong.
 

chocobitz825

Senior Member
Can the concern about the tone and/or lack of bass frequencies be solved with a bit of EQ or mic mixing?
i hope so..but compare to say the demo on www.cinematicstudioseries.com/brass.html in "edge of reality" i dont feel that MSB has hit the same level of power, attack and sense of dynamics. Comparing to "the long road" there is a character and expression in the vibrato and attack that even comes through on softer parts. Maybe the demos on MSB dont adequately expressly the dynamic range, but if i was looking at the two demo tracks and video, it doesn't come off as a competitively expressive library compared to others.
 

Sean

I don't know what I'm talking about
Yea it sounds nice but it doesn't seem so much better than other brass libraries that it's a must have. Maybe someone who doesn't have any brass libraries could do well getting it but there might not be as much of a point for someone with a more extensive library already.
 

artomatic

I compose with my EARS
Methinks these sound thin, almost harsh to me. Was so looking forward to this.
Hoping other demos will convince me that it deserves the $600 intro price...
A bit disappointed, tbh.