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Any love here for MOOG DFAM? Or other rhythmical synths?

Solarsentinel

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Sorry to throw this back into the mix but I'm looking back at the Beatstep Pro - might be useful as a controller for other duties as well in the studio (assuming it can control multiple devices smultaneasouly with the USB/MIDI/CV outs) and maybe of some use playing live/jamming. Any reason not to pair this up with the DFAM?
Sure, a good choice too :

 

Wally Garten

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Hi,
the DFAM sounds absolutely huge! and it is unique. It has the tone lol.
But you have to know that it has zero midi implementation. It work well in a modular setup or with a semi modular moog setup (with a mother 32 or a grandmother).
Hopefully, there is some tricks to pair it with a DAW => You'll have to use a midi/CV converter such as an arturia keystep or korg SQ1. With it you can almost control it like any midi synth with your DAW.
But you'll can't do any automation and we can say that 8 steps for a beat machine is pretty restrictive. So it is primarly aimed for techno or really basic rythms. futhermore as metho1 said, you can't save patches...
I think it's real power is in sound design, or in a live setup with other hardware units.

Sure it will give something to a Matrixbrute, but a semi or fully modular synth to pair with it will be much better. Depends on what is your goal?
:2thumbs:
To show you an idea:

There is some other alternative such the make noise 0 coast

And also Arturia have some good one to consider with the Drumbrute serie.
The 0-Coast is a beaut. I mostly use it with an external sequencer, but in principle it can do generative rhythmic stuff as well:


The Drumbrute is also great -- more of a conventional drum machine, but with cool, unusual sounds, independent outputs for each drum, and a really great sequencer.

And for more exotic generative rhythmic experiments, I'm fond of the Bastl BitRanger, which does a bunch of complicated stuff with clock dividers:


(The BitRanger's not really about "tone," though. In fact, I think it's a little more pleasant if you can run it through a filter after the fact....)
 
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The DFAM has arrived (Beatstep Pro should be here soon). I've literally only taken it out of the box and had a quick play. Early days yet but it did get me thinking what the next step would be to complement this. I'm not really interested in going modular but semi-modular maybe if there are enough sonic/creative benefits? Is there any justification for combining with a Mother 32? And if so, the Behringer Crave looks interesting as an incredibly low cost version of the M32 from what I've seen on YouTube. (Not sure how similar the patch bays are between the Crave and M32 though). And then there is the Grandmother (Matriarch out of my budget). Prior to picking up the Matrixbrute I was looking at the Sub37, so the Grandmother looks interesting as a way into semi modular? @khollister, as a Matriarch user, any thoughts?
 

khollister

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The DFAM has arrived (Beatstep Pro should be here soon). I've literally only taken it out of the box and had a quick play. Early days yet but it did get me thinking what the next step would be to complement this. I'm not really interested in going modular but semi-modular maybe if there are enough sonic/creative benefits? Is there any justification for combining with a Mother 32? And if so, the Behringer Crave looks interesting as an incredibly low cost version of the M32 from what I've seen on YouTube. (Not sure how similar the patch bays are between the Crave and M32 though). And then there is the Grandmother (Matriarch out of my budget). Prior to picking up the Matrixbrute I was looking at the Sub37, so the Grandmother looks interesting as a way into semi modular? @khollister, as a Matriarch user, any thoughts?
Grandmother all day long vs a Mother32 or Behringer. While certainly less versatile than the Matriarch, It has the same family sound (vintage Moog modular). Unlike the Matriarch, I believe that incoming MIDI is converted to CV. The Matriarch only converts aftertouch (hence why I have the Kenton Pro Solo). Probably something to do with the Matriarch being paraphonic.

I'm actually thinking about a Subsequent 37 myself if I can figure out where to put it.
 
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I'm actually thinking about a Subsequent 37 myself if I can figure out where to put it.
Excuse my lack of understanding between these 2 Moogs but is there that much difference between the Subsequent 37 and the Matriarch that having both would be beneficial? Just curious.
 

khollister

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Excuse my lack of understanding between these 2 Moogs but is there that much difference between the Subsequent 37 and the Matriarch that having both would be beneficial? Just curious.
The sub37 has memory (presets), a slightly different architecture and a different sound. The VCO's, VCA's etc are not based on the old modular stuff like the matriarch & grandmother. It is also the coolest looking synth I've seen :) I'm just on a Moog kick lately - more likely to get a Subharmonicon than anything else.
 
The sub37 has memory (presets), a slightly different architecture and a different sound. The VCO's, VCA's etc are not based on the old modular stuff like the matriarch & grandmother. It is also the coolest looking synth I've seen :) I'm just on a Moog kick lately - more likely to get a Subharmonicon than anything else.
Been reading though the thread, bringing back memories of the multiple CV outs on my ol' Yamaha CS40-M (the first programmable synth I ever had)
. . . anyway I have a Moog Sub37, which I delivered to Asheville to be updated to Subsequent 37 spec. At my advanced age, it is my first-ever Moog (how did I live this long without ever getting one?) I have had it for about eighteen months: Love it--I don't even mind the menu diving :o)
I will be interested to hear how @pmountford gets on with his DFAM
 

amontagnet

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Hey guys, this may be a dumb question, but I have to ask it as I cannot find a good understandable answer anywhere. I recently got a Mother-32 and a DFAM. I have a KeyStep 37 and BeatStep Pro. I am scared of hurting my Moog equipment since it runs from -5V to 5V and the Beatstep Pro runs from 0V to 12V. How to I connect the Beatstep Pro to the DFAM and Mother-32 without damaging them? I could not find the setting in the Midi Control Center. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am totally lost...
 

Solarsentinel

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Excuse my lack of understanding between these 2 Moogs but is there that much difference between the Subsequent 37 and the Matriarch that having both would be beneficial? Just curious.
It's totally different approach: the sub 37 is duophonic, the Matriarch is 4 paraphonic and semi modular.
The sub 37 is aimed for Studio users, beacause it has a plugin to control it with your DAW like a vst,and it can save a lot of presets.
The Matriarch has no software and like the GM some parameters cannot be controlled with your DAW (due to fully analog circuits).
Sounds are also different, the Sub 37 have a subgenerator and a multidrive. The Matriarch not
Both are great but for different things.

The DFAM has arrived (Beatstep Pro should be here soon). I've literally only taken it out of the box and had a quick play. Early days yet but it did get me thinking what the next step would be to complement this. I'm not really interested in going modular but semi-modular maybe if there are enough sonic/creative benefits? Is there any justification for combining with a Mother 32? And if so, the Behringer Crave looks interesting as an incredibly low cost version of the M32 from what I've seen on YouTube. (Not sure how similar the patch bays are between the Crave and M32 though). And then there is the Grandmother (Matriarch out of my budget). Prior to picking up the Matrixbrute I was looking at the Sub37, so the Grandmother looks interesting as a way into semi modular? @khollister, as a Matriarch user, any thoughts?
Indeed the Behringer Crave is almost the same as the M32. The difference is the filter. Filter of the crave is kindlike a prophet filter. For the patchbay it's almost the same. The big difference between the two is the form factor. The M32 is in a modular case, and have eurorack dimension in order to put into a full modular setup.

Hey guys, this may be a dumb question, but I have to ask it as I cannot find a good understandable answer anywhere. I recently got a Mother-32 and a DFAM. I have a KeyStep 37 and BeatStep Pro. I am scared of hurting my Moog equipment since it runs from -5V to 5V and the Beatstep Pro runs from 0V to 12V. How to I connect the Beatstep Pro to the DFAM and Mother-32 without damaging them? I could not find the setting in the Midi Control Center. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am totally lost...
Hi, i don't have a BSP, but looking at this :


and this:


Section 9.1.4

You'll have to configure the C3 with 0V in the midi controls. It appears to work with a Moog Grandmother. Hope this will help you.

Futhermore it seems the M32 Gate is tolerant to 10V, so you should'nt have any problem with it.
The last solution is to connect the beatstep pro to the M32 via midi with the midi out from the BSP to the midi in of the M32.
 

amontagnet

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It's totally different approach: the sub 37 is duophonic, the Matriarch is 4 paraphonic and semi modular.
The sub 37 is aimed for Studio users, beacause it has a plugin to control it with your DAW like a vst,and it can save a lot of presets.
The Matriarch has no software and like the GM some parameters cannot be controlled with your DAW (due to fully analog circuits).
Sounds are also different, the Sub 37 have a subgenerator and a multidrive. The Matriarch not
Both are great but for different things.


Indeed the Behringer Crave is almost the same as the M32. The difference is the filter. Filter of the crave is kindlike a prophet filter. For the patchbay it's almost the same. The big difference between the two is the form factor. The M32 is in a modular case, and have eurorack dimension in order to put into a full modular setup.


Hi, i don't have a BSP, but looking at this :


and this:


Section 9.1.4

You'll have to configure the C3 with 0V in the midi controls. It appears to work with a Moog Grandmother. Hope this will help you.

Futhermore it seems the M32 Gate is tolerant to 10V, so you should'nt have any problem with it.
The last solution is to connect the beatstep pro to the M32 via midi with the midi out from the BSP to the midi in of the M32.
Thank you for your help with the Beatstep Pro and M32. What about the Beatstep Pro with the DFAM? The DFAM doesn’t have a MIDI connection...

Is there a work around for the voltage not going as low as -5V and then going too high for the DFAM?

Again, any information would be greatly appreciated!
 

Solarsentinel

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Thank you for your help with the Beatstep Pro and M32. What about the Beatstep Pro with the DFAM? The DFAM doesn’t have a MIDI connection...

Is there a work around for the voltage not going as low as -5V and then going too high for the DFAM?

Again, any information would be greatly appreciated!
I think you cannot modify the dfam voltage. Check the manual to see which in and out is tolerant to what voltage (the ext input tolerate +10v for example) but the range stick between -5 to +5v in general. It is a standard eurorack voltages.
So you have to tweak the beatstep instead. It is capable of doing 0-5v, 0-1v or 0-10v. If you can't found how to do it, don t hesitate to contact even moog sav or arturia sav, they are very reactive.
 

shawnsingh

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I'm not much of a hardware synth nerd... for digital, software generally seems more flexible and has faster workflow. non-modular analog, I don't personally feel I'm missing out on the great tone versus digital. On the other hand, all-out modular is hard to justify with my very limited one-desk home studio, and the workflow of cable patching still doesn't seem so immediate either, if I imagine trying to quickly dial in something.

But the pulsar 23... It looks like a consolidated version of what I would have wished my own modular setup to look like - the goal of rhythmic sound design exploration with tons of modulation options to mangle and destroy the sound. With the added advantage of hand-playable modulations (i.e. ultimate immediacy) and a big advantage of being already tried-and-true version of what I'm interested in, instead of having to start my own long journey going through different modules for who-knows-how-long.
 

amontagnet

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I think you cannot modify the dfam voltage. Check the manual to see which in and out is tolerant to what voltage (the ext input tolerate +10v for example) but the range stick between -5 to +5v in general. It is a standard eurorack voltages.
So you have to tweak the beatstep instead. It is capable of doing 0-5v, 0-1v or 0-10v. If you can't found how to do it, don t hesitate to contact even moog sav or arturia sav, they are very reactive.
Thank you for the info! I figured it out!
 
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