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Shad0wLandsUK

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https://wccftech.com/exclusive-amd-is-working-on-a-monster-64-core-threadripper-landing-as-early-as-q4-2019/

So who is going to build a VE Pro Monster with this one? ;)

I have to admit that I am looking closely at the 3950X this September as I am in the market for a new PC (had my i7 4770K since 2011 now). So I am curious to see how they have come along for Pro Audio. Not happy buying Intel hardware that has not really gone anywhere in the last few years, since we are still buying the same 14nm parts, yes it is 14++ now.. but still.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the CPU world over the next two years. If AMD don't get it this time around, I am more confident they will next time.

To think my first PC was a AMD Athlon 64 and then an X2 :)

Team Red are making a comeback...
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
AMD if not taking the reigns with new designs is definitely making Intel skip over phases to stay on top.
Im with you on the Devils Canyon CPU. Even my 8086k from Silicon Lottery which is delidded only has better performance from the extra cores. Single core performance barely changed.
I’m anxious to see audio benchmarking in the weeks ahead.

We’re lucky, if Scan or TechReport say AMD is still choking Intel’s got new 10nm designs where 3.7 GHz CPUs are showing superior single core performance at lower watts and speeds.

It’s great to be an audio buff in 2019/2020.
 
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Shad0wLandsUK

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AMD if not taking the reigns with new designs is definitely making Intel skip over phases to stay on top.
Im with you on the Devils Canyon CPU. Even my 8086k from Silicon Lottery which is delidded only has better performance from the extra cores. Single core performance barely changed.
I’m anxious to see audio benchmarking in the weeks ahead.

We’re lucky, if Scan or TechReport say AMD is still choking Intel’s got new 10nm designs where 3.7 GHz CPUs are showing superior single core performance at lower watts and speeds.

It’s great to be an audio buff in 2019/2020.
Let's watch out for the fun to come :)

If they do fair very well in the Pro Audio department I am certainly looking to build a Ryzen9 3950X Rig!
In a few short months
 

Quasar

Senior Member
Let's watch out for the fun to come :)

If they do fair very well in the Pro Audio department I am certainly looking to build a Ryzen9 3950X Rig!
In a few short months
Yeah the 3950x has tentatively caught my eye too. My 2012 build is still running great, so I'm not worrying about assembling a new machine until sometime in 2020, by which time the Scan Pro Audio info should be in and all of that...

... By then of course there will be another Next Great Thing (assuming the world as we know it does not end), but IMHO there hasn't been an absolutely compelling reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge until Intel's 8th gen, and by 2020 we should know about Ryzen and RTL, or perhaps Intel's i9 whatever will come down in price because of the competition from AMD.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
I’m buying an AMD 3700X regardless just because it’s such a monster @ 65watts.
If it doesn’t excel at audio no big deal. I’m not buying the X570 boards as they’re insanely high and filled with crap I don’t need.

I’m buying the rack optimized ASRock X470 Workstation board.
Don’t need PCI 4.0, don’t need 80% of the X570 capabilities.

I’m going to bury the 3700X with polyphony, it’s the only test that matters to me.
I don’t use native plug ins do I don’t care how many compressors or Reverbs can be loaded.

Worse case scenario, my son has different machines that are tailored to certain games and other chores. He can have it if it sucks. I’ll be out 1200 bucks.
 

Pictus

Active Member

This is memory latency, not audio interface latency...
They are using a X470 motherboard and not a X570, problem is that they
were not able to tweak the memory in the X470 with the new Ryzen, so
the results are crap memory latency...
The results will be different for the X570 motherboards and probably a
new BIOS for the X470 will fix the issue.

UPDATE

They did a new test with a X570 motherboard and still bad for latency/RAM.
I believe the BIOS still crude and not proper optimized.
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x570-review/

 
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dasbin

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Yes, especially for us where a huge part of the work being done involves reading an enormous number of tiny chunks of data out of RAM basically at random in time to fill a buffer. And writing the same to RAM from disk.
I'm not liking the memory latency or write speeds we're seeing so far; hopefully it's just a BIOS or driver problem or something though and may improve somewhat. But as it is I suspect it will have implications for sample library performance that mean the CPU's will not hit near full utilization before clicks and pops set in.
It seems to me that the only way to be sure of anything is to wait specifically for sample-library benchmarks; it's conceivable that these CPU's will be great in basically everything else BUT this task, so I would advise against trying to extrapolate benchmark results from anything else (video transcoding, rendering, gaming) to DAW performance.
 

Delio Roman

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I’m definitely keeping an eye out for the rumored upcoming threadripper.

Only thing for me, is thunderbolt. That’s why I’ve stuck with Intel for my work machines. If the whole USB 4/tb3 thing happens and it becomes an open standard, and current tb3 devices work natively on amd builds for the future, I’m all for it. That probably won’t be until 2020 though. IF it even happens that way.

Anyhow, AMD really has been driving competition recently and we need that. Intel has had the throne for too long.
 
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Shad0wLandsUK

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I’m definitely keeping an eye out for the rumored upcoming threadripper.

Only thing for me, is thunderbolt. That’s why I’ve stuck with Intel for my work machines. If the whole USB 4/tb3 thing happens and it becomes an open standard, and current tb3 devices work natively on amd builds for the future, I’m all for it. That probably won’t be until 2020 though. IF it even happens that way.

Anyhow, AMD really has been driving competition recently and we need that. Intel has had the throne for too long.
According to the new boards I have checked out from Computex, some of the X570 motherboards are shipping with TB3

So the Zen2 chips must have it
 

Delio Roman

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According to the new boards I have checked out from Computex, some of the X570 motherboards are shipping with TB3

So the Zen2 chips must have it
Interesting! I know there's currently a Gigabyte X399 board offering a TB header, but I'd love to see this fully implemented across all AMD motherboards as a standard like Intel boards.
 

axb312

Senior Member
Cache Memory Latency.jpg

So does this mean the 3700X is a viable alternative to the i9900k for audio production? Consider a 3700X with an X570 for an upcoming build (instead of the Z390 and i9900k I was considering earlier)....
 
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Shad0wLandsUK

Shad0wLandsUK

Senior Member
Posted my latest thoughts elsewhere relating to AMD:
The more I think about this, plus the growing number of benchmarks and real-world tests that are being done on the two platforms....

I wonder if the perfect Composing Setup would be an Intel DAW Machine and AMD VE Pro Slave(s)

You would have the high single-core performance of Team Blue for your DAW and therefore the real-time processing would be great, but you would get the benefits of the multi-core strengths of AMD for your VE Pro Servers :)

What do you guys think?...
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Jury is still out but the Single Core Cinebench Tests on the AMD 7 3700X is impressive to say the least, and that’s stock speeds @ 65 watts.
These scores are numerous now so more valid as multiple review sites are testing.

Tech Report was where I was waiting to see DAWBench performed, but the reviewer probably couldn’t handle task and chose easy gaming benches.

I pre ordered a cherry picked 3700 for 400 bucks.
Ones that can clock to 5.2 GBs on all cores are reasonable.
I won’t go that high but use watts as my sweet spot.
90-95 watts is what I can use in the tight confines of a 1U.

My only tests are polyphony, real world polyphony as in multi layered EPianos, etc.

Then Zebra2 HZ with as many as 12 filters, 4 being DIVAs.
Probably still the best 24db HPF around.

Don’t use Native Plug ins so my comparisons will be the 3700 vrs. 4790k Intel’s.

I won’t use it if I can’t get the CPU up around 90%+.
 

axb312

Senior Member
Jury is still out but the Single Core Cinebench Tests on the AMD 7 3700X is impressive to say the least, and that’s stock speeds @ 65 watts.
These scores are numerous now so more valid as multiple review sites are testing.

Tech Report was where I was waiting to see DAWBench performed, but the reviewer probably couldn’t handle task and chose easy gaming benches.

I pre ordered a cherry picked 3700 for 400 bucks.
Ones that can clock to 5.2 GBs on all cores are reasonable.
I won’t go that high but use watts as my sweet spot.
90-95 watts is what I can use in the tight confines of a 1U.

My only tests are polyphony, real world polyphony as in multi layered EPianos, etc.

Then Zebra2 HZ with as many as 12 filters, 4 being DIVAs.
Probably still the best 24db HPF around.

Don’t use Native Plug ins so my comparisons will be the 3700 vrs. 4790k Intel’s.

I won’t use it if I can’t get the CPU up around 90%+.
If you could run DAWBench on the 3700X and share the results, that would be greatly appreciated.

When are you expecting the new CPU ?:)
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
ETA on Week 3 July.
But I haven’t got a clue on how to run DAWBench and don’t mind comparing it to my 8086k or 4790k.
Give me a link and I’ll see what I can do.
I’ve got 7 PCs set up to run as a DAW.
FL Studio, Reaper, Pyramix and a few lean hosts for live performance.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
I just read something disappointing making the purchase of a cherry picked OC’d Matisse a waste of time.
I’m cancelling my order, getting a refund and buying East/West POP Brass.

One CPU burned up and died during the review, the 3700X I want won’t clock above 4.1GHz on all cores making my purchase a waste of money.

Sorry my brothers, I’m waiting for the Intel’s.
Besides, I just built a new 4790k PC using the last CPU on that series I have.

Matisse sure looks great on single threaded Cinebench tests.
But you can’t use DRAM Above 3733, all cores overclocks aren’t that good, and this is a reviewer who doesn’t collect ES Samples, often pisses off Intel and Tier One Manufacturers.
 
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