Amadeus Symphonic Orchestra Release Info

Discussion in 'COMMERCIAL Announcements' started by Michayl Asaph, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. MatFluor

    MatFluor Senior Member

    Jan 11, 2017
    Well, sound quality is ok, not on that high level (RR count/Implementation, scripted vs true Legato etc).
    But, and it's fun to say that, it's not comparable with those three libs. Because Amadeus has single sections and soloist instruments. It would be fair to compare with garritan personal orchestra and Miroslav Philharmonic, where Amadeus comes out on top by far in my opinion.

    But you can't compare the first and second flute that Amadeus has with Ark (no flutes at all), Albion (only "woods high" or variations) or Jaeger (no woods).

    Imo, the sound quality is good, but won't replace a Berlin/Spitfire orchestra (not Albions but SSO). Amadeus is more an all-in-one pack, with good sound, low price, and minimal footprint to enable you to write for a proper full orchestra (can't do that with either of your reference libraries above). So, It won't be a challenger to those trailer focused libraries of course, it's not trying to play there. It's more of a challenger to VSL SE, Garritan PO and Miroslav
  2. Pipsymbol

    Pipsymbol New Member

    May 28, 2018
    Thank you so much for providing such a detailed reply!!!
  3. SimonCharlesHanna

    SimonCharlesHanna Senior Member

    Feb 3, 2012
  4. Quasar

    Quasar Senior Member

    Jun 26, 2012
    LOL I was writng an answer but MatFluor nailed it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

    I find this whole Overture/Amadeus reality terribly interesting, and after watching the 15 minute walkthough and looking at the manual wonder if Amadeus isn't the coolest $99 "bread-&-butter orchestra" sale in the history of samples. It sounds quite good and the simplicity of the UI is very cool.

    I've never worked with a notation program except to fiddle a bit with the free Musescore, which is good software but not designed for easy integration with quality 3rd party libraries and the DAW universe

    I'm inclined to get Amadeus before the sale ends, but may go for both Amadeus and Overture 5— that is, if I can wrap my head around the practical functional aspects of having both. I really have zero sense about workflow etc. and how these two products might work in tandem.

    Amadeus has a user manual, but I can find no equivalent for Overture. Does one exist? Or is the manual in downloading the demo? I plan to watch the YouTube material I found.
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  5. al_net77

    al_net77 Active Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    There a a lot of youtube videos about Overture. I find it interesting.
  6. nilblo

    nilblo New Member

    Jul 2, 2017
    @Quasar: The manual in Overture can be reached from the menu. It is called Quick Help but is really extensive and covers everything.

    This software is marketed as Touch Enabled. It is not! You can make a menu expand (drop down) but
    you can´t select an item from the drop down list of actions or whatever the menu holds.
    The community is obsessing (in my opinion..) over Engraving Quality and they are pushing the developer to take Overture to be a serious Dorico contender.
    Legibility is of course an important part with a score writer and Overture is really good in that respect
    but... engraving quality in a hybrid midi editor/score writer?? One example of complaint in the forum involves a misalignment of a tenorclef which is 1,9% off the middle-C, heightwise... (Clearly visible in magnification...?)

    I started writing music with pen and paper (not quill...) 45 years ago. My first computer was an Atari Mega 4 and I had Notator. Now I am using Studio One 4 & Notion 6 together on a 27" touch/pen screen plus an iPad and Notion for writing music "on the go". The combination of these hard- and softwares is really the best I have come across (for me..) and writing notesymbols sitting or standing, on a 27" screen mounted on an sit-stand Ergotron arm means a great deal for my physical condition.
    I got the Amadeus library by Tracy Collins, and it is a very good library that goes a long way for my kind of music. I use it mainly for sketching. I also use Xsample and CH WW and do mostly chamber and small orchestra (sinfoniettas) music.
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  7. sonicscores

    sonicscores Member

    Nov 23, 2016
    "Amadeus library" is by Sonic Scores, not Tracy Collins.

    And sorry to be defensive, but someone is either bias or uninformed.
    For example, the tenor clef issue was fixed a while back as well as many issues.

    And for the comment about touch enabled, it is. I just tested it on a 27" HP touch screen and a Surface Pro, touched the menus, and selected menu items. Swiping, two finger zooming, etc, all work.

    BTW, there will be a new release of Overture 5 today that fully integrates Amadeus. Yes we're a little behind, but had a ton of things to do. After all this was Sonic Scores' first sample library.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2018
  8. nilblo

    nilblo New Member

    Jul 2, 2017
    Oh, of cource it is by Sonic Scores. My bad. I somehow came to believe that TC was quite involved in the making of Amadeus.
    No need to be defensive about the tenor clef. My mentioning of this issue was more to explain how miniscule "defects" could create complain among the forum members. I mean, it was barely visible unless you magnified the score just to prove a point. I would certainly not even think about calling this an issue. I´m pleased to hear that touch works now. Last version I tried was 5.5.2-5 and as I never saw this "touch" problem among "fixes" in the iterations that was published after the version I already had, I never bothered to download the new versions. If I´ll ever get the time maybe I will try the latest edition. Given that I already own Ove.
  9. Massimo

    Massimo Active Member

    Dec 10, 2006
    Hi Don,
    Glad to read that you are considering making some video tutorials, hope to see them early in the year :)
  10. Ashermusic

    Ashermusic Senior Member

    Mar 27, 2006
    Los Angeles
    The manual says:
    "Produced by; Don Williams. Engineered by:Tracy Collins
    A special thanks to those who helped make this product a reality. And a very special thanks to Tracy Collins who has worked tirelessly for several years to make Amadeus Symphonic Orchestra a reality, and to my favorite Muse, Debra Hamilton."
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  11. sonicscores

    sonicscores Member

    Nov 23, 2016
    Sorry about the defensive part. I constantly have to defend against those who try hard to find minuscule flaws, even though they shouldn't matter. You should be the one behind a notation program to see how critical they can be. To me, the important thing is that its the tool that let's one create music efficiently. I have stated several times before, "do you create music to be seen or heard". Make your choice.

    So here is the Amadeus story.
    I contacted several companies about building Sonic Scores a library for Overture. Two failed to produce, and one lead me on for a year, and actually released their own small footprint library based on the library I asked for. A third company had a great sounding library and was willing for me to use their player, but the player did not integrate into Overture the way I needed. So after all this, I decided to build one myself.

    I spent several years choosing/purchasing samples, researching, designing a simple interface before I met Tracy. I had worked with someone else who I had purchased some sounds from, but he didn't want to be totally involved. I contacted Tracy while looking for guitars because I liked his guitar sounds, designs, and price points.

    A funny story is, I purchased some B3 organ samples for another library Sonic Scores is going to release next year. I sent them to Tracy, called him later that night to hear what he thought of the samples, and heard him and his wife playing with them and praising how real they sounded. The next day he sent me a beautiful B3 organ Kontakt instrument. I mean, an almost completed instrument with graphics, sliding draw bars, rotary speakers, etc. All in one day. He told me that he worked on it all night because he loved the samples, being a keyboard player. At that time I knew he was the guy and Tracy became the Kontakt guru that put the parts together.

    We've been going to NAMM for many years doing research on what users wanted in a sample library. We started showing alpha versions of the library two and half years ago and received a very positive response that we were on the right track. The original name was going to be Sonic Collection but Tracy didn't like the name and and if he was going to be part of the whole thing, wanted a new name and a different graphical look. I agreed, found a better name and we went through three iterations to get the interface right. So yes, Tracy was/is an "instrumental" part of Amadeus.

    We were ready to release it last spring and then decided to even make it even better. I am a software engineer but don't know Kontakt scripting, but knew what I wanted. Maybe I should have stated Tracy as: Kontakt guru instead of Engineer. Trust me, he deserves a ton of credit, because he had to put up with me demanding perfection in just about everything. But finally it is a Sonic Scores library.

    WOW, that was a lot of typing. Back to programming!
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2018
  12. Ashermusic

    Ashermusic Senior Member

    Mar 27, 2006
    Los Angeles
    And you have done a fine job IMHO. I just wrote a pretty positive review for and I will let people know when it is posted.
  13. sonicscores

    sonicscores Member

    Nov 23, 2016
    Thank you Jay and Tracy speaks highly of you. Tracy mentioned last night that you had written a review, so I am anxiously awaiting to reading it. Our first official review.
  14. robgb

    robgb I was young once

    Apr 6, 2016
    I am so happy to still be alive in this day and age. I just watched the walkthrough and was blown away. This thing sounds phenomenal. I can't believe the price. When I first started with orchestral libraries, a library of this quality would have easily cost hundreds, if not thousands. I know you're targeting beginners and sketchers, but, honestly, this looks to me as if it's all you really need.
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  15. robgb

    robgb I was young once

    Apr 6, 2016
    Kontakt has Arp features already built-in. So you can easily create your own.
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  16. MartinH.

    MartinH. Senior Member

    Jun 16, 2018
    Truely inspiring story, kudos to you and all involved for making this library happen! I've already pointed someone your way and hope you'll have great success with Amadeus.
  17. richard kurek

    richard kurek Active Member

    Jul 28, 2017
    from day one i like sonicscores Overture just needed to resolve a bug i had , finally solved but then Amadeus appears , purchased both with no second thought , great writing tools Orchestra is a full library , you wont have to add to it, low on cpu , no big manuals to read just sit and write , i give this a thumbs up and the cost is in reach for most , i am loaded with orchestra libraries but needed a non tuttti library to do quick arrangements , very happy
  18. MarcelM

    MarcelM Senior Member

    Dec 15, 2014
    maybe some of you who bought it made some short tracks already you could show as an example?
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  19. Paul Grymaud

    Paul Grymaud Active Member

    Yep ! Sunday. I'll post a link to a tune I'll play with just the instruments available in this library. And another link in order to compare with the original tune. I have to mention that - and this point is particularly true - one cannot use a midi track already played with a specific library to illustrate a new library because each lib have it's own texture and contains instruments with a precise attack, sustain, vibrato etc. Clearly, as a user, let's take a midi part with a flute. And then You let the track turning and hear the sound coming from 10 different libraries. The difference in tone can be huge and the sound can go from excellent to awful ! Now, if You (re)play this section one by one with each librarie separately, You'll be (re)discovering the richness and the specific possibilities of the libraries. That is why a walktrough demo is generally very appreciated to show the real possibilities of the VST. So, I'll (re)play some parts or - if necessary - the entire tune. It contains the following instruments: Piano, violins I & II, violas, celli, basses, harpsichord, harp, french horns, trumpets, trombones, tubas, flute, timpanis, cymbals. In any way and as far as I can hear, Amadeus seems clearly to be a professional, cheap and useful product ! To be continued...
  20. dzilizzi

    dzilizzi I know nothing

    Feb 27, 2017
    Somewhere near Los Angeles
    I just watched the video. I think if I were just starting out or needed a quick, low RAM sketching orchestra I would probably get this. Unfortunately, I have too many others that fill this niche. Probably more than I will use truthfully.
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