Albion One vs Red Room Palette

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by poetd, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

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    Personally , I prefer Palette to Albion 1. Dirk Ehlert did a session where he created a track with the Palette series instruments . Might be worth a look .
     
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  2. Ian Dorsch

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    I like both libs, and while they're both technically ensemble orchestral libraries, they're pretty different in overall approach. Albion One is aimed more at 'hybrid' scoring styles, and includes a surprisingly versatile bunch of synths, percussion loops and thunderous trailer-style percussion. Darwin Perc is terrific and has a pretty much permanent place in my template for action/combat music.

    Palette is a more purely orchestral library, with a rawer, more natural sound. It's a much more comprehensive orchestral package - Albion One doesn't include a lot of standard orchestra percussion like timpani, doesn't include choir or harp, doesn't include chamber-sized ensembles for divisi or more intimate writing. I haven't used Palette since the beta, so I can't comment on stuff like the trailer tools and trailer drums, but the core orchestral stuff gives you a lot of options.
     
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  3. mikeybabes

    mikeybabes Only the good die young....

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    As a first library, I’d have a good look at Steinberg Iconica sections and players, which is currently on sale. A bit more expensive, but ultimately it offers a terrific amount for the cost, and in the long term I think would prove much better value.

    Also Hollywood Orchestra Gold is insanely good value, the strings and brass are great.

    Black Friday is just around the corner too....
     
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  4. reutunes

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    If you haven't got 3 hours to watch Dirk's excellent composition stream, I also did a 15 minute video where I wrote an action cue using all of the different Palette libraries... and it's in 7/8 time, just to be a bit different. Might be useful to you?

     
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  6. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

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    Informative video Reuben! I had no idea you could activate multiple keyswitches simultaneously. I will have to experiment with that.
     
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    Cool video and nice track too.
    Thanks, very helpful!
     
  8. reutunes

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    That's one of the main things I like about Palette, the flexibility of the system. Under the hood you can make it perform like libraries from other companies too, in that you can set up articulation switching via velocity, MIDI CC, keyswitch or combinations of them. If I have some time next week I'll try and put together a video all about how to do that. Might be useful?
     
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    Definitely, thanks!


    One thing playing around with Primary Colours - there seems to be no velocity sensitivity on the instruments.
    Is that all done through the dynamics/expression sliders?
    I do most of my sketching on a tiny Akai lp25 due to little space in the studio, so no mod wheel.
    Is that just a limitation of Primary Colours (ie just shipping with 1 velocity layer) or is it the same in the full version and you have to use mod wheel?

    Thanks again everyone for the help and valuable insights so far!
     
  10. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

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    That would be great . Thanks again Reuben .
     
  11. ism

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    Albion is these days marketed as a hybrid/scoring, and in this sense it’s the only Spitfire purchase I regret, not because it isn’t great, but because I realized after I bought it that I’m not really interested in epic or hybrid writing.

    That said, I recently discovered this track:



    Which is an amazing piece of pure High Romanticism, or maybe epic-without-the-gratuitous bombast if you prefer, and convinced me to rethink exactly what Albion1 can do.

    The only point I want to make here is that each of these libraries have their sweet spots, beyond what the marketing suggests, and there’s definitely something that Albion is doing uniquely right here.
     
  12. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon KSP Wizard

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    Sustains are only crossfadeable via Dynamics slider (=modwheel), but for staccatos there's velocity sensitivity option in top right corner, once you select the articulation for editing.
     
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    Thank you very much! Once again. :)
     
  14. reutunes

    reutunes Senior Member

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    Here you go @paulmatthew (and others).

    I've put together a video which shows how Palette can be integrated into existing templates and articulation setups from other sample companies. Basically you can assign any Palette articulation to be switched by assignable keyswitch / velocity range / MIDI CC / keyboard range / sustain pedal - or a combination of these. That makes the Palette products really versatile.

     
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  15. paulmatthew

    paulmatthew Senior Member

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    Thanks for the video Reuben! I like the idea of setting the velocity switching to match the Cinesamples orchestral line. Having that kind of cohesion between often used libraries is very useful. Great tips for using the Palette series with other libraries.
     
  16. TheSigillite

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    How do would you guys rate the Orchestral Percussion from this library, Red Room Audio? I don't have a orch percussion library at the moment and was thinking this would be a good deal seen that I also get all the other goodies. Thanks in advance. And thanks for the video Reuben!
     
  17. Robo Rivard

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    Since I own quite a lot of libraries, I went for Palette "Melodics" and it was
    a good surprise! I wish I had those instruments when I started!... Newcomers don't know what is being offered to them.
     
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  18. X-Bassist

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    Hey Mike, have you gone through the different mics on the Arc Series? I need to look at my templete, but I believe Ark has some decent close mics you can add to the Tree to dry it up. Personally I like mostly close with 80% tree as a room mic, makes the sounds drier and more useable with other libraries. I only have Metro Ark 1, but Time Macro seems to be the same way. OT has a (bad) habit of always presetting to the tree, sometimes the other mics work better outside an all OT cue (and when does THAT happen?).

    Pallette does seem to have flexibility I wish was in some others. But it's also important to make sure you love the sounds. Nothing worse than moving on in just a few weeks to Symphobia or Cinesamples, and then to OT and SCS. ;)
     
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  19. Mike Fox

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    Oh yeah. I've tried just about every mic combination in Ark, and there's just no way around the baked in reverb. I think that's just the nature of recording in hall environments.
     

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