Aiva - Artificial Intelligence Composition: beta starting today

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by Darius, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. chocobitz825

    chocobitz825 Active Member

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    I think this entire argument of infringement is so firmly based in human and creative ego that it’s laughable. If you have clients who come to you looking for your unique style, then this entire conversation is valid. Let’s be real though, much of the industry is a client handing you another piece of already established successful work, and saying “give us something like this, but don’t get us sued for infringement”.

    We’ll already treading that line and what people are saying is, “it’s fine when humans do it because we assume there’s some natural creative process that differentiates is from the algorithm”. However to obtain those results clients want, we’re copying tone, parts of melody, intervals and progressions and trying to spit out something similar but different. We’re not much better than the machine. For now humans do it better than a machine, but to get usable results from tech like this, human touch is still the ultimate factor to smooth it out into a cohesive piece of work.
     
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  2. cola2410

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    That's a very thoughtful observation actually. I highly recommend Her by Spike Jonze with Joaquin Phoenix where the ending says it all - a machine will eventually leave a human for another machine because we won't be interesting for them after some time. Their arts will be unlike ours so we can relax but won't feel superior to them anymore. Different race, different life, different planet (?).

    During one of our regular bar gatherings we have discussed the problem of mimicking human behavior by an AI application (going back to Her). The issue of a human requiring another human to interact with is a simple task for an AI app that could be sold in billions. The other side is pretty scary although - if a machine mimicks human behavior to the state when a human can not distinguish it anymore than we may probably speak about "non/un-humans" appearing all over the place and substituting us not only in jobs but in human relations as well. Imagine a race with a capability to be not only human but something else as well.
     
  3. chocobitz825

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    I suppose whether this is to happen or not, my observation with people's fear around AI is that it will somehow be better at being human than us. Not in that its perfect, but rather that it will be as flawed, shallow, and indifferent to other life as we already are. Its lack of emotion is why AI will never be like us. Maybe one day it will have it down, but I suspect if it can handle emotional, it will lose its sense of logic. I don't know if AI need be the sign of the end of times for people.
     
  4. Raphioli

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    If AI gains emotions, we'll probably have other things to worry about.
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  5. chocobitz825

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    *gasp* their naked six packs!
     
  6. Desire Inspires

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    I think this could be cool. I am going to give it a try and see what benefits may come. Hopefully it will help me to cut down on the time it takes to get new ideas in a digital format.
     
  7. chocobitz825

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    don't get your expectations up too high just yet. its got a way to go
     
  8. Desire Inspires

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    Oh of course.

    The thing about technology is that a great deal of it is terrible. We must remember that technology doesn’t create itself; it is created by people. So if people make bad technology, it will be deemed useless and get scrapped.

    I am not worried about AI taking over music composing. I would be more worried about that technology being used for other nefarious things such as manipulating financial markets or starting wars.

    But even then, people will always find a way to handle the situation. I don’t think we will encounter some post-apocalyptic scenario. People watch too many movies and think the world will be similar. I think AI will probably make the world more dull if anything else.
     
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  9. bosone

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    just tried some preset and make some track. nice but honestly far from being "human"... in any case AIVA would be just perfect for making stock music or background track to be used in youtube videos or simple presentations.

    but, if this is just the beginning, can we imagine how AIVA or related software will be in 10 years?
     
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  10. averystemmler

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    It's a tough subject to put into words, but I think the legal danger comes not because the machine"s creative process is different, but because the machine's creative process is understood. You can look at the machine, see the copyrighted input, and see the process by which it became an infringing output. The machine can't claim that it was expressing its mother's journey from the old country and had no knowledge of the plaintiff's work.

    I'm not sure what happens if you put multiple works from different artists into the meat grinder. Machine creativity is a strange subject. I wonder if there's a precedent in another field.
     
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