Alright, dishes are done, got my brewsky, I'm ready to rock!But we are already losing connection to the 'elites' of music. Back when the music labels controlled the industry we put value in a smaller amount of artists, because they were all you had access to. They were able to shift the landscape because of a lack of options.
Slowly as time has progressed and we have access to ALL the music in the world, we are starting to move away from entire world shifts on quite the same scale. For example how many 'famous' artists are there these days who have seemingly huge and successful careers, that you just simple have never even heard of before.
Thats with technology being at the level it currently is. Yes we have loops and presets but you still need a degree of craft to turn that into music. When its 'sliders' or some easier UI element I cant think of yet, even your nan could write music, then all bets are off. The second someone hears something they like, they will copy it, and that (I think) will propagate on such scale and so rapidly that the credit of originality will be lost in the ocean of oversaturation. There will be no personal incentive or value in being original if AI can immediately imitate. (of course we are not discussing legal issues in this discussion because that would make it to unwieldy to discuss but I am aware this would also play a part)
You can't plan for the future by applying todays logic to it. 2020 looks little like 2010 and even less like 2000 or 1990. Given hindsight, would it have been prudent to be planning for 2020 with the tech of 2010? Now think what tech we will have in 2032. I mean we didn't even have iphones until 2007. Imagine planning for the iPhone world with the tech of the 90's
imagine In 1997 saying to someone within the next 10 years your camera, photos, entire music library, the internet, your email, your calendar etc etc will all be available in your pocket without wires. It would be hard to see. So in discussion I think its usually more useful for forward planning to assume the technology will be more powerful and be more available sooner. Because previous trends put us right in an expontial technological advancement curve.
This is exactly how I envision it always being...This only matters to the business of music, not the art of music. People can keep creating great music and be appreciated for it. you probably just won’t make much money from it.
I like to assume that AI will be so much better than us, that it won’t inherit our habit of “wiping” things and people out.This is exactly how I envision it always being...
...that is of course unless AI completely wipes us out, lol!
You should have typed up a short summary since this is getting off-track already, lol. Please watch the first 15 minutes or so at least, people!so I wont type it all out.
There's absolutely no direct way of even drawing far-fetched philosophical assumptions about it without contemplating about the ramifications of the 4th industrial revolution within the liberal arts...but that would involve derailing the thread a bit to go back to his original point.For the sake of argument, DJ assumes there will be a future in which AI can reliably compose music (and any other craft) that is indistinguishable from that made by humans, or at least 'good enough' for the purposes of this 'Creator'. In this future, Creators will be able to get their vision from their head into the world without needing to hire specific collaborators. They can create movies, games, whatever creative endeavor they desire, more or less on their own.
Don’t we have this model already? What happens to digital visual media?You should have typed up a short summary since this is getting off-track already, lol. Please watch the first 15 minutes or so at least before commenting people!
This is not another thread about whether AI will get to a point where it can reliably replace humans for 99% of artistic tasks (including music). That's an interesting discussion too but it's just a starting point assumption here.
DJ makes a distinction between 'Artists' and 'Creators':
'Artists' are those who specify in a particular creative process/craft, such as composing, painting, 3D modelling, etc.
'Creators' have passion for creating stuff in general. They make everything themselves according to their own vision, e.g. solo game developers who do the art, music, coding etc. (iirc the game Undertale was made this way).
For the sake of argument, DJ assumes there will be a future in which AI can reliably compose music (and any other craft) that is indistinguishable from that made by humans, or at least 'good enough' for the purposes of this 'Creator'. In this future, Creators will be able to get their vision from their head into the world without needing to hire specific collaborators. They can create movies, games, whatever creative endeavor they desire, more or less on their own.
The main questions DJ raises seem to be (and please correct me if I'm wrong @Daniel James):
1. On a practical level, what happens with the Artists/craftspeople in this future, where 95% of them are essentially obsolete?
2. More broadly, what happens to the concept of an 'Artist' in this future?
3. What happens to art & media in general in this future?
EDIT: I wasn't sure if I should mix myself in this discussion, but imo this is a much more interesting topic than the old question of whether AI can become advanced enough in the first place (or how in how much time).
You joke. But that is exactly what my studies were about. Communication designer. I had all of those courses + copy writing, illustration, music and 3D. Most places I work some combination of these skills are expected.So I guess what they are saying is AI will make everybody become like that wedding photographer, who also happens to be a videographer, and also can make the weeding invitations as well as make a website for your wedding. I mean, all you really need is a computer and a printer, right? And you are in business and on your way to the big times, to conquer the small business world. It's as simple as that.
You can also tell them you can make the horderves. Just go to Costco and buy some frozen ones and put them in the oven and take them with you on the day you go there with your video camera. No one will notice.You joke. But that is exactly what my studies were about. Communication designer. I had all of those courses + copy writing, illustration, music and 3D. Most places I work some combination of these skills are expected.