Hi. What do you mean by this? I keep looking at it and am not sure I am really getting it. Are you saying that John Williams in general creates something of less "artistic" value than some/most of the winners? That Black Panther's "art" quality is above say, the score to Vice or Red Sparrow (both of which were not nominated - and thanks to this thread I recently checked out, so, thanks for this thread everyone)? If so, agree to disagree I suppose.
Ha. No, everyone else seemed to get it, so I think it was just me...You have to read that in context of what I wrote in the first half of the paragraph. I put scare quotes around "art" because I'm using it in the context of scores that are "unique" and "authentic." I wouldn't presume to be an arbiter of what makes something artistic, but I'm talking about voter perceptions.
None of that is to say a Williams score lacks artistry or a Greenwood or Reznor score lacks craftsmanship. At least I hope that's not the takeaway... lest I'm an even worse communicator than I thought.
It's best not to take the Academy Awards too seriously. Or any awards for that matter.
The scores of other Marvel movies could be much worse but they were not awarded “best score”. I think that’s what surprised people.More ridiculous than, say, Avengers, or Ant-Man and the Wasp? Or Hulk or Guardians or Thor? And what's "ridiculous" about Black Panther? Thought Dr. Strange was more "realistic" or hewed closer to your idea of what's correct and what's not in a Marvel movie? Didn't care for the costumes or the gizmos? Found even more plot holes than usual?
You are right, that is the ideal case. And, the comments of those who pay that effort will be much more valuable. But everybody is still free to comment on everything, right. Even those with no music background could comment on any music. We are also commenting on sample libraries, even on their prices. We should not expect someone to have tried all other sample libraries and compared the value/price ratios before saying that a sample library is too expensive or not worth of price.Before I publicly denigrate the work of someone else, I try to make a little bit of effort. Besides, with projects like this it's pretty much impossible to know whether the stuff you didn't like -- or did -- arose primarily from the composer, the director, some producer, or somebody's girlfriend/boyfriend.
Thanks. This is very useful tip. Maybe, this is the main factor making some members feel that the BP score sounds unusual/original.Most of those could be transferred from any one Marvel movie to any other without the audience noticing a single thing. Not so with Black Panther's score.
If a comment seems to be very superficial and does not seem well-studied why not just ignore it? No need to detest someone else’s comments.I'm not holding it out to be the best, but I detest lazy attacks.
reflexively attribute the win to racial apology.
Yeah that was definitely what I was doing. You may want to quote the specific paragraph where I was doing that. Or you can quote the part where I said that Ludwig Goransson is talented. Your choice, President T. .Before I publicly denigrate the work of someone else, I try to make a little bit of effort
I mean, what?!I find it telling that your initial "link" was a playlist that was replete with incorrect cues
Just answering on this since I saw it before hitting reply. Maybe that has to do with the fact that other Marvel movies don't take place in a fictional Africa, but what the hell do I know.Most of those could be transferred from any one Marvel movie to any other without the audience noticing a single thing. Not so with Black Panther's score.
because it sucks
I haven't watched it since Williams' Memoirs of a Geisha lost to Brokeback Mountain. And that's about 120 hours I haven't missed out on.I was surprised the First Avenger and Avengers scores didn't at least get nominated.
To be completely forthright, I stopped taking the Academy seriously when I counted up how many Oscars Bernard Herrmann and Jerry Goldsmith took home.
Memoirs of a Geisha
Honestly I think my initial negative reaction was because of this more than anything specifically about the Black Panther score.There have been too many snubs to count
Powell has also done very well with IFMCA. He won 2 this year for SoloThere have been too many snubs to count. Jumanji wasn't even nominated. HOW?!
But after looking it up, I notice that it was recognized as a nominee by the IFMCA. Seems like a point in favor of having a composers-only award with more nominees and a more music-literate academy of judges.
It worked beautifully within the film but also plays like a cello concerto away from it. Stunning on all levels.One of his best.