2cAudio Precedence vs. Parallax Audio VSS2

Shredoverdrive

Active Member
Ha! Not much more than a rookie myself in the engineering department, but read about it on VI Control and played around with it. To my ears I get the best sound with Spaces and the ERs of VSS2 turned down about 1/2 way. Personal preference.
That's more or less what I do as well (but I leave more than 1/2 of VSS2's ERs). I use the presets for VSL for my VSL instruments (doh) but also for my Chris Hein Instruments. I'm quite pleased with the result.
 

CQrity

Member
I've actually used EAReverb and Seventh Heaven together and they pair nicely! I send to EAReverb for early reflections, just to put it in a room (keeping the tails disabled), then send to Seventh Heaven for tails.
I also tried EAReverb because I wanted to really place instruments into a room. Actually I can't find the mail but I went back and forth with the support (which is awesome) and it turned out the placing doesnt really do "much" besides regular pan and EQ if you like. It actually doesn't create new ERs for every position which is why I don't use it. And in my book those ERs are the important part of the reverb. Its a great verb for sure but the placing is a way to easily pan instruments, not to really "place" them. At least that's my conclusion.
 

Land of Missing Parts

Grumpy Monkey
I also tried EAReverb because I wanted to really place instruments into a room. Actually I can't find the mail but I went back and forth with the support (which is awesome) and it turned out the placing doesnt really do "much" besides regular pan and EQ if you like. It actually doesn't create new ERs for every position which is why I don't use it. And in my book those ERs are the important part of the reverb. Its a great verb for sure but the placing is a way to easily pan instruments, not to really "place" them. At least that's my conclusion.
Thanks, I'll have to look into this further when I get a chance.
 

Velcro

New Member
I think I tried them all...VSS2, Earreverb, SPAT, Altiverb's kludgy spatializing tool, Precedence...
I liked MIR the best by far, for ease of use, quality of results, and even fun factor of the interface.

Sorry OP to be answering a question you never asked. But FWIW you can demo MIR for 30 days free, and if you wait around it comes up in the classified section every now and then. There's also the cheaper MIR 24 version which gives you the same quality, just less channels.
 

Go To 11

Member
Just adding to this helpful thread to say that for my tastes (which are for drier, clean sounds), I just demoed VSS2, Earverb and MIR and I rate them in that order. VSS2 was the cleanest, most realistic sound without adding too much extra colour IMO. Earverb came second but added too much midtone body to the sound, which introduces EQ problems I don't want, and MIR just added so much to the sound that it muddied the whole thing. But others might disagree. All three are available to demo, thankfully!
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
How much time did you spend with MirPro? Its not an easy tool to master. I'm quite confident you can get better results then you are reporting now and you say it "added so much". I'd encourage you to spend more time with it before giving up on it.
 

jon wayne

Active Member
How much time did you spend with MirPro? Its not an easy tool to master. I'm quite confident you can get better results then you are reporting now and you say it "added so much". I'd encourage you to spend more time with it before giving up on it.
If you want a product to get rave reviews, you shouldn't have to tweak it to get good results.
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
If you want a product to get rave reviews, you shouldn't have to tweak it to get good results.
Shouldn't have to tweak it? So are you saying you think you should put a reverb on the track and never turn a knob and should automatically sound brilliant? Good luck with that.

MirPro is an extremely powerful, flexible, detailed product with incredible ability, but yes....it's not going to automatically adjust the settings for you and it does require some time to learn how to adjust the settings, and it isn't actually that hard once you get into it for a bit.
 

Go To 11

Member
Shouldn't have to tweak it? So are you saying you think you should put a reverb on the track and never turn a knob and should automatically sound brilliant? Good luck with that.

MirPro is an extremely powerful, flexible, detailed product with incredible ability, but yes....it's not going to automatically adjust the settings for you and it does require some time to learn how to adjust the settings, and it isn't actually that hard once you get into it for a bit.
Got any pointers? I played around with some stuff in MIR but for my ears, I got a better sound of VSS2, and with much less headache. So even if MIR can equal the sound I've already got, I'd still get VSS2 due to the more intuitive interface. Only if MIR can do better would it be worth all that extra headache. Simply, VSS2 doesn't colour the sound, it just places it further back with realistic ERs, and that's exactly what I wanted. I'm of course happy to be persuaded otherwise, but I felt like I gave MIR a good go!
 

Dewdman42

Senior Member
what exactly do you think is more intuitive? I have played around with VSS and never got a single good sound out of it while MIRPro sounds brilliant. But I do have all the room packs. You are right that VSS kind of sounds uncolored, but it also doesn't sound like a real room to me...while MirPro definitely does. Rooms color sounds!

Perhaps VSS would be an interesting choice for someone that doesn't really want to use real room, but wants to mimic spatialization manually, using a hodge podge of convolution reverbs, etc.. Then VSS might be interesting to add the Early reflection parts, and you can use something like EW Spaces for the tails, etc.. Could be interesting and you can build a synthetic room to whatever sound you like that way. Nothing wrong with that.
 

Nyran

New Member
I haven't used the rest mentioned here but I have VSS1 and VSS2. I didn't like the first version too much and I had some weird phasing issues with some libraries so I dropped it.
I bought VSS2 which I found a lot better in most respects and I use it on very dry instruments (i.e. SM brass) in conjunction with Spaces II and I like it even though you can't remove the ER on spaces.. I don't really use it on wet libraries.
I have also used it with close mic'd live strings when trying to position them with the rest of the midi orchestra as first chairs.
 

jonvog

Member
I was giving VSS2 a brief try and I kinda like it. I dig, that you can choose different mic setups. There's a huge difference in the sound of XY or AB for example. So this is nice!
 

rrichard63

Perpetual Novice
The deciding factors for me turned out to be support from the developer, and cost. I thought Mir Pro was too expensive for me. On support, see this thread about VSS2:


I ended up with Precedence + Breeze and am quite satisfied so far.
 

Jerry Growl

Composing Music in the Plastic Dark Ages
I ended up with Precedence + Breeze and am quite satisfied so far.
+1
Same for me. Precedence & Breeze in their latest update prooves to be a powerful, flexibel and greatly adaptable combo imo. Not too pricey either. And very light on cpu.
 

Nyran

New Member
The deciding factors for me turned out to be support from the developer, and cost. I thought Mir Pro was too expensive for me. On support, see this thread about VSS2:


I ended up with Precedence + Breeze and am quite satisfied so far.
Unfortunately this is very true of VSS2.