Jeremy Spencer
Senior Member
I’ll second that! I’ve experienced Ouija activity first hand, and I can attest that there’s nothing amusing about it.I've played Ouija before, and the force that moves the plate is very real.
I’ll second that! I’ve experienced Ouija activity first hand, and I can attest that there’s nothing amusing about it.I've played Ouija before, and the force that moves the plate is very real.
There is always a rational explanation for everything ....There's been an interesting mix of responses to this question, but for what it's worth I'll offer two instances which to this day have left me wondering:
1. Whilst long-term house sitting for my Grandmother years ago, I was sitting up in bed reading one evening, and my wife walked into the room asking me a question about our car, and the old heavy brush from my Grandmother's hair brush & mirror set slid from one side of the sideboard/dresser with such force that it flew through the doorway and landed in the hallway. We both stared at each other with mouths open and didn't know what to say.
2. We live in a Victorian era house built in 1896 in the inner suburbs of Melbourne. We bought the house from developers and relocated it to a 3/4 acre block about 20 years ago. One evening when our two sons were being particularly annoying by not settling at bed time, we gave them a final warning that they just needed to stop messing about and go to sleep. We shut their bedroom door and the door of the lounge room in which we were sitting, across the hallway from the bedroom our boys were sharing at the time, but left the hallway light on. About 45 minutes passed, and we both clearly saw the distinct shadow of feet in the gap under the lounge room door, silently walking past down the hallway toward the front door (old house with uneven wooden floors). I flew out of my chair and into the hallway, ready to yell at the junior culprit, but found their bedroom door closed, and when I immediately checked on them the boys were fast asleep.
I take it you were in a coma all of 2020?There is always a rational explanation for everything ....
Thank you for your thoughts.
My personal experience is that it is partially a cultural thing and conditioning is the most important deciding factor when it comes to this. Genes play a part and in my experience the person's incarnation history has a role; in my experience I see us as ageless beings who incarnate here many times in these body suits to develop the soul, or what term you want to use in that context.
There is a part that dissolves in death and there is another part that stays and integrates with the timeless being, which evolves and develops through the experiences that come from living here in this physical, human form. In my journey I went through a phase where I suddenly remembered a lot of my past lives and events that were significant in larger context and how they were connected with different lives and the life that I am living now.
In average I think that humans carry quite a potential in themselves regarding these things. One has to unlearn what he/she has learned to get rid of the conditioning and start to develop a deeper relationship to self; who am I, what am I and learn to silence the constant, compulsive thinking, which is making it difficult for the consciousness to tune to anything outside the mind or the ego of that person.
During the years I have taught or guided a bunch of individuals privately (for free) and found out that there are lot of resources and potential in a normal human being. I'd like to emphasize that in that I have concentrated of gettind rid of the obstacles, not to make people think or experience life like me. A sovereign human being is well capable of forming his/her own thoughts and views about things.
You've said it all. I wanted to say to unlearn the things you have been programmed to believe as true and revert back to your natural self will get you more in tune with your spirit. And then you also have to seek it. It is also true that people are born with more spiritual capacity than others. I've had mine since birth but I didn't quite understand it back then like I do now. After 2013 I consciously started unlearning (I called it uneducating myself) everything and reverting to my natural self. The way it works is that the more you listen to your inner voice/intuition the more it develops, and your intuition can instruct you to do some of the most ridiculous things (everyone around you will start thinking there's something wrong with your choices) Around 2015, 2016 I had travelled to the city and was returning to my village which is about 4 hours journey. Even when i got to the big city there was this feeling I couldn't shake off.. When I got to the station where I'd pick the bus back to my village, immediately I got down at the station the area around my head like I a circular form started vibrating like I'd never felt before (I told someone and he referred it to spider man's senses) I knew something would happen but I didn't know what. I ignored it all and even when my intuition was telling me to go to the other side of the station to pick the bus there instead (because there's two places that you can pick the bus at the station to my destination) I still shook it off and entered the bus at the first place which I was closer to and because the car was almost full too.. So what I did was recite psalms 23 all through out the journey, just after an hour or so after the car had taken off with the driver driving at top speed and refusing to slow down even though the passengers kept complaining, his back tire burst and the car almost seemed like it would somersault uncontrollably but it's like a force held the car in place. It turned on its right side and skidded on the road till it came to a stop. The people sitting at the right side of the vehicle sustained minor injuries. I was seated in the middle and only got slight bruises. I took this as a sign that my intuition was developing fine and that all the listening I did to it though people around me didn't approve of my choice actually paid off. Take it like this God is like a radio station, you are the radio, if you don't tune in to God's frequency you will never hear that radio channel. Radio stations won't tune in to your radio, you have to tune in to the station. We are all capable of connecting to God some people more easily than others just like people are good at playing football better and so on.Thank you for your thoughts.
My personal experience is that it is partially a cultural thing and conditioning is the most important deciding factor when it comes to this. Genes play a part and in my experience the person's incarnation history has a role; in my experience I see us as ageless beings who incarnate here many times in these body suits to develop the soul, or what term you want to use in that context.
There is a part that dissolves in death and there is another part that stays and integrates with the timeless being, which evolves and develops through the experiences that come from living here in this physical, human form. In my journey I went through a phase where I suddenly remembered a lot of my past lives and events that were significant in larger context and how they were connected with different lives and the life that I am living now.
In average I think that humans carry quite a potential in themselves regarding these things. One has to unlearn what he/she has learned to get rid of the conditioning and start to develop a deeper relationship to self; who am I, what am I and learn to silence the constant, compulsive thinking, which is making it difficult for the consciousness to tune to anything outside the mind or the ego of that person.
During the years I have taught or guided a bunch of individuals privately (for free) and found out that there are lot of resources and potential in a normal human being. I'd like to emphasize that in that I have concentrated of gettind rid of the obstacles, not to make people think or experience life like me. A sovereign human being is well capable of forming his/her own thoughts and views about things.
I bet there are thousands of videos that have not been debunked or can hardly be explained otherwise, I could just link some random ones.It's funny in this day and age when everyone has there camera running 24/7, and 12.000 hours of videos are uploaded to YouTube daily, that the most convincing video's showing supernatural phenomenas are either fake or can be explained otherwise.
The human mind play tricks on us, and we are often convinced of a vision of sorts, but plenty of things can cause this, like sleep paralysis, pareidolia, electromagnetic fields, carbon monoxide poisoning etc.
Your brain can definitely play tricks on you, and it's been proven in the lab:I'm not saying the supernatural doesn't exist, but I do know that it's depressingly common for people to appeal to the supernatural before even a cursory attempt to explain their experiences by natural causes, which includes an honest admission of the ways that their own brains can fail to accurately represent reality.
But then again there is the 'life review' or near death experience where people see their whole life flashing before their eyes, and apparently this has been reported not by a few hundred or a few thousand, but 8 million people in the US alone! Something is astoundingly consistent, yet unexplained.They blindfolded the participants, and asked them to manipulate a robot with their hands. As they did this, another robot traced these exact movements on the volunteers' backs.
When the movements at the front and back of the volunteer's body took place at exactly the same time, they reported nothing strange.
But when there was a delay between the timing of the movements, one third of the participants reported feeling that there was a ghostly presence in the room, and some reported feeling up to four apparitions were there.
There is a possible explanation but you'd have to read the link in my post 58 in this thread.Your brain can definitely play tricks on you, and it's been proven in the lab:
But then again there is the 'life review' or near death experience where people see their whole life flashing before their eyes, and apparently this has been reported not by a few hundred or a few thousand, but 8 million people in the US alone! Something is astoundingly consistent, yet unexplained.
These are the moments when people lose their faith in an omnipresent, omnipresent, omniscient and boundlessly loving god. Plenty of beliefs available, ready to fill the vacuum of "Why?".It seems to me, but I might be wrong — and I probably am because I (as empirical, rational an level-headed a chump as ever pottered about this world) don’t have the least interest in, or affinity with this topic —, that the supernatural and spiritism often gain in traction after things have turned pretty grim and dire on this planet of ours. No? It’s never “I feel happy, I whistle while I work, zip-a-dee-doo-dah, let’s find out what’s happening on the other side, shall we?”, it’s always “things are bad, I feel down, I miss my departed loved ones, the future is grey and hopeless, maybe there is some comfort to be drawn from seeking contact with another dimension”, isn’t it?
As I said, I don’t know much about this, but I do know that, for example, spiritism in England saw a big rise in followers immediately after the First World War. Unable to make sense of the horrors that had occurred the previous four years, people began looking for answers elsewhere, with a fast-growing interest in paragnosis and all things supernatural as a result. And there are many other examples to be found throughout history (frequently also showing that institutionalized religion never hesitates to move in on the turf of the spiritist movement in order to win souls in times of darkness).
The climate today, during what is hopefully the aftermath of the worst that Covid has wreaked on us, is not entirely dissimilar, I believe — the majority of the people simply unable to grasp the impact, scale, suffering, cost, and biological logic of the pandemic — creating a fertile environment not only for all sorts of conspiracy madness and ideological extremism, but also for trying to lift the veil on the unknown in the hope of getting some form of knowledge or enlightenment.
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This year around 1.4 trillion pictures will be taken. That's trillion, not billion.I bet there are thousands of videos that have not been debunked or can hardly be explained otherwise, I could just link some random ones.
Btw, being able to "explain" something doesn't mean that explanation is right.
There are hundreds of hours of many people (not silly teenagers or youngsters, but many VERY believable sounding and sometimes sceptical adults) telling very much unexplainable stories fairly authentically on the podcast Campfire. There is no way that 100% of the unexplainable ones are fake. Only a single story has to be true for the supernatural activity to be true
I also wasn't aware that everyone has cameras running, even an hour in the day. Complete bollox!
And if something odd like this happens you may well forget to film it in the moment.
Chevreul pendulum, dowsing rod etc. are conceivably ideomotor phenomena, i.e. microscopic movements amplified by mechanical devices. But from those to ouija is a huge, huge leap and to ascribe it to ideomotor effect strains reason. It could be that it's a case of life imitating art, similar to 'stage hypnosis', but the scientific angle seems tenuous to me.Ouija boards are caused by the ideomotor effect - unconscious, involuntary physical movement.
I mention this, cause 2 people in this thread believe they are real.
The inability to "believe" something, or decision to not believe, doesnt make it untrue. Neither does believing make something true. However, it is a lie that science is the measure of reality. What is reality? What is Truth? Science is a weapon of deception.I have not and I do not 'believe' in anything that is not scientifically observable. There are many, many things that have been proven to be real that I have little to no knowledge of and I do not need the billions upon billions of 'unprovable possibilities' diluting reality any further.
Give me proof and I'll adjust my world view accordingly, as I must. Such is the fate of one who subscribes to science.
If you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out.
EDIT: I say this having been raised catholic and having spent most of my teen years 'studying' demonology and myriad religions, as an edgy teen goth is supposed to. Even tried my hand at Wiccanism for a year of so. I truly believed for a while but eventually the lack of observable truth just killed it. That, and the cases of borderline insanity such beliefs wreaked on some of my acqaintances made me realize blind faith is dangerous as hell.