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I personally like both those libraries for certain situations. I have a good buddy that did an entire albums worth of piano for a pop artist using CSP and all parties were thrilled.

Each to his own I guess...

Also pretty sure that the piano only costs about the equivalent of a cheap night out, so I find it is a great product for the price.
 
Yeah, the piano is ok..
I wouldn't be a fan of the solo strings either..
But I find, I got Cubase in the recent sale, and CSS is a completely different beast in Cubase vs pro tools.. No latency in Cubase.. unusable in pro tools..
Was hoping the woodwinds would be out by now..cracked and got the vsl see woodwinds to tide me over until CSWW..
 
Is the legato delay in CSB the same as CSS?
and the shorts delay?

No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.
 
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.
I hear you!
Thank you sir, and my apologies if this was already asked/answered!
 
I seem to recall also the legato update for css, maybe Alex could chine in here and tell us about the state this update is in?

I have buttons that move the different legato types in CSS I thought that the sale could be achieved with CSB?
 
I seem to recall also the legato update for css, maybe Alex could chine in here and tell us about the state this update is in?

I have buttons that move the different legato types in CSS I thought that the sale could be achieved with CSB?

Yes. That's very much possible, at least in Cubase. But it would be more efficient if there was some coherency between the different sections and instruments. It's great that the fast legato is consistent, but it would be nice if all the legatos where -- then you could use the same button to move the notes.

Trumpets, Horns, and Violins 1 playing the same thing? Select all the notes and press the same bottom and they would all be in sync. Now you have to select each instrument and press individual buttons because they all use different legato speeds.
 
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.

The delay is different for the trumpets only. I believe all the other instruments have the same delay.
 
The delay is different for the trumpets only. I believe all the other instruments have the same delay.

Sadly, no. Not from what's stated in the manual. I think Trumpets have the highest deviation and the other instruments have a lower deviation, but they all have slightly different timings to accommodate the nature of the instruments.

Although the difference is probably negligible for most cases.
 
Sorry if this has already been addressed - I searched through a couple discussions and could not find the answer - but how are folks handling the missing low G# and G on the trumpet (solo and a2) when needing those to sound? I tried remapping but the scripting seems to prevent anything from sounding below the predetermined keyboard area. Any specific instructions for your workaround would be appreciated! (I guess this also applies to the Tuba, bringing it down to C, etc.)
 
I detune the instruments by 2 semitones...
I wish there was a bit more range, especially towards the lower notes...
 


Hey, just wanted to share s mock-up I'm currently working on using primarily CSB :)



Hey, just wanted to share s mock-up I'm currently working on using primarily CSB :)

Sounds incredible, great work man! :) i would love to hear about the reverb setup for this. I think finding the best way to get CSB to sit right in a mix is really tricky. But I love the sound of the library and its super easy to use.
 
No. Sadly they are different. CSS has the same delay for all instruments; one delay for shorts, and different delays for slow, medium, and fast, but at least this is the same for all instruments in the String family.

On the other hand; CSB has different delays for all instruments. This was a conscious choice from the team, which I don't understand at all. I see what they mean by different instruments having different legato lengths, trombones take longer to go from note to note than trumpets, but why not make the legato length a common denominator of the highest delay. I don't have a much of a problem with legato delay as some others here seem to have, but that's only if it consistent across the board so that I can move ALL notes a specific amount and have them in perfect time with each other. With CSB you would have to move the notes a different amount compared to the Strings, and even other brass instruments. This seems like a odd choice considering the crazy consistency in the Cinematic Studio series.

But almost exactly a year ago Alex said, if i remember correctly, that they were working on an update for CSS to move them over to the new legato engine. Not sure what that entails, but I'm hoping for a more consistent delay across the different families, and instruments.

Logically the other issue with trombone is that legato 'lengths' do vary. Players don't really think about this so much as it just presents them a technical challenge which hopefully composers don't write poorly for. Playing legato between a low E at the end of the slide and a Bb in first position is going to be much slower than between an A and Bb. It's just the physical mechanics of the horns; the further down the notes are, the more tubing, and thus the slower legato. This is mostly remedied with the introduction of horns that have 'triggers', as these lower the tubing without needing to use the slide, but then you cannot get perfect glissandi when playing on and off the trigger.
 
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Sounds incredible, great work man! :) i would love to hear about the reverb setup for this. I think finding the best way to get CSB to sit right in a mix is really tricky. But I love the sound of the library and its super easy to use.

Thank you :) I have just one Reverb that all my instruments go through. It's the most basic set-up.

Honestly, after posting this, I've extended it some more and layered it with extra samples such as HollywoodBrass. I was having extreme difficulty as I was starting to find the brass to sound a little too thin. CSB is great, but so difficult to mix in with the other orchestral instruments. I find the Trumpet and Trombones start to sound way too up close and thin when going to the top of the modwheel, even when using the far mics. They soundso good in the middle, though.
 
Thank you :) I have just one Reverb that all my instruments go through. It's the most basic set-up.

Honestly, after posting this, I've extended it some more and layered it with extra samples such as HollywoodBrass. I was having extreme difficulty as I was starting to find the brass to sound a little too thin. CSB is great, but so difficult to mix in with the other orchestral instruments. I find the Trumpet and Trombones start to sound way too up close and thin when going to the top of the modwheel, even when using the far mics. They soundso good in the middle, though.
I find the same, have to play around with room/main mics, reverb and precedence to find the right spot for CSB in the mix. I kinda gave up on the low brass in CSB and use JXL for my low brass exclusively now. I still always reach for CSB for horns and trumpets though!
 
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