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Bohemian Series Expansions Thread, Violin Expansion 2 Improv Video

Thanks for the quick reply , Thats what I figured but thought I would ask anyway. For most things the vibrato will be fine given that it is very emotional. If I need something less for vibrato I do have some other solo violin libs I can also use.
This is my biggest problem with the library. Vibrato is either off or over the top. I love the tone and concept but I will need another solo violin library additionally for gentler vib.
 
This is my biggest problem with the library. Vibrato is either off or over the top. I love the tone and concept but I will need another solo violin library additionally for gentler vib.
Any vst violin will have pros and cons.... and if you need another for that then use that one, whilst knowing you will run into its limitations too.

The bohemians big pro is the all ‘live’ unprocessed sampled and performer concept. Which means working around or working with that concept.
 
This is my biggest problem with the library. Vibrato is either off or over the top. I love the tone and concept but I will need another solo violin library additionally for gentler vib.

I don't agree with the asessment that the vibrato is "over the top" in a general sense. I've always understood this violin to be featured front and centre for passionate playing - that's what you're buying. It's not designed as a restrained player, or a first chair. You do get the different player modes which either accentuate or reign in that drama somewhat, but its essentially always pretty passionate.

Personally I'm very happy with this. The design of the library, not using any controllers but stitching together many natural arcs, is what gives it is power but also its limits. I guess they could now do 8 more variation layers of different strengths of vibrato, coming in quicker, later, easing back and forth and so on, and put that sample pool up towards the million mark, though I suspect Ondrej would be institutionalised on the way which could further hold up the 2035 relase of EXP 9.

The way I approach sample libraries in general is to try not to make them something they are not. If I need a line to blend in with a restrained chamber section, I won't be picking Bohemian. But if I need something really emotive and human front and centre, there's no other game in town.
 
The way I approach sample libraries in general is to try not to make them something they are not. If I need a line to blend in with a restrained chamber section, I won't be picking Bohemian. But if I need something really emotive and human front and centre, there's no other game in town.
Well put as far as I am concerned.
......And the 3d best option is to hire a real violin / viola / cello player ( of which there are several good here at vi- control with their own recording option)
Other then that, select the best vst for the job at hand.
 
So from what many are saying, this is the equivalent to the Tina Guo Cello where it's way too much vibrato and expression to be used for anything but super emotional passages. I think if one is to create a huge library like this, it would be in their best interest to record at least 2-3 different vibrato intensities...still live performances, but at least we have the option of loading which vibrato intensity we need, instead of being stuck. Granted it's a lot to do, and probably costly, but there is no reason I see that it couldn't be an expansion set like other libraries have. You have the main heavy vibrato library, then at a later time, they can release the additional vibrato samples as expansions and CHARGE people if they want it. Not everything has to be free...although not complaining here, just saying; if there's a will, there's a way.

I look at it like this: If I have to buy more than one violin library to cover different emotions, I'd rather spend the money to get an expansion and keep the sound the same.
 
So from what many are saying, this is the equivalent to the Tina Guo Cello where it's way too much vibrato and expression to be used for anything but super emotional passages. I think if one is to create a huge library like this, it would be in their best interest to record at least 2-3 different vibrato intensities...still live performances, but at least we have the option of loading which vibrato intensity we need, instead of being stuck. Granted it's a lot to do, and probably costly, but there is no reason I see that it couldn't be an expansion set like other libraries have. You have the main heavy vibrato library, then at a later time, they can release the additional vibrato samples as expansions and CHARGE people if they want it. Not everything has to be free...although not complaining here, just saying; if there's a will, there's a way.

I look at it like this: If I have to buy more than one violin library to cover different emotions, I'd rather spend the money to get an expansion and keep the sound the same.


I would not say that is a fair assumption, there are many varieties of Vibrato depending on what is being played. With us the vibrato is phrase based, depending on where you are in the phrase and what you are playing and having 56k samples actually really helps this. Lower dynamics have gentler vibrato, Full legatos have different vibrato to 1/2 legatos and different again to 1/4 legatos as well as their dynamic related differences, if onbow or bow changed ... , mid arcs and arcs have progressive vibrato, sustains have immediate vibrato, diminuendos have diminishing vibrato and I could go on, but most importantly, all our vibrato is in Phrase as the Violinist would play it making it sound natural and lyrical. We are capturing the Performer and how they would approach the phrase ;) That is the main aim.
 
I would not say that is a fair assumption, there are many varieties of Vibrato depending on what is being played. With us the vibrato is phrase based, depending on where you are in the phrase and what you are playing and having 56k samples actually really helps this. Lower dynamics have gentler vibrato, Full legatos have different vibrato to 1/2 legatos and different again to 1/4 legatos as well as their dynamic related differences, if onbow or bow changed ... , mid arcs and arcs have progressive vibrato, sustains have immediate vibrato, diminuendos have diminishing vibrato and I could go on, but most importantly, all our vibrato is in Phrase as the Violinist would play it making it sound natural and lyrical. We are capturing the Performer and how they would approach the phrase ;) That is the main aim.

So it’s a dynamic vibrato based off what you are playing?
 
So it’s a dynamic vibrato based off what you are playing?

Dynamics and the type of legato affects the vibrato. It is always expressive, but the vibrato is affected by what you play as Alex pointed out. I would recommend to check out all the audio demos and listen to how users apply it. Everything you hear in the demos is doable via our violin. Naturally I'm an expressive violinist, so I use expressive vibrato, so even pp dynamic will have vibrato, but vibrato that I would use as a violinist if I played that part of the phrase. As a violinist I can openly say that the Bohemian Violin is now scarily close mirror to how I approach phrasing in real life :) If you are looking for tamed violinist I would recommend something else, to be honest if you have asked me to record some classicist piece with limited vibrato I would decline such contract as I wouldn't be the right violinist for that and I wouldn't enjoy recording it.

It is like you said. Tina Guo sounds too expressive to you. The point is, it means that CineSample guys did their job right. Listening to her works live and in concert she is a very expression packed musician and I love her music for it :)

PS Tina, if you are reading this and ever traveling through Czech Rep, do give us a shout. I hear that Alex makes the best tea in the country :2thumbs:
 
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It is like you said. Tina Guo sounds too expressive to you. The point is, it means that CineSample guys did their job right.

I agree...but it's a one trick pony. I have both volumes and find very little use because it's so specific. However, I do realize that THAT is the point, and what it captures, it captures well...same with Bohemian Violin...although I can see many more uses for the BV due to it's articulations and playability.
 
TG may well be a one trick pony (at least it was initially, with the expansion I don't think it's a one trick pony), but Bohemian is not.

Yes I agree. I think I eluded to that. And even with the Vol 2 for Tina, I don’t find it much better. All it did is add additional articulations, but the slow legato is still only in Vol 1.
 
Yes I agree. I think I eluded to that. And even with the Vol 2 for Tina, I don’t find it much better. All it did is add additional articulations, but the slow legato is still only in Vol 1.
Yes I have Tina vol 1 which was ok at the time when I got it but I never use it any more as Bohemian is my go to now for an expressive solo cello but it also offers much more as well. Bohemian is also very playable right out of the box, I can't say say that for many other violins and cellos as they always need quite a bit of tweaking .Now I can't wait for the next update of the Bohemian cello.
 
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Everything is up to date. The loading time is very long and it takes many minutes for the message to disappear, either in Falcon or UVI workstation latest versions.
 
Everything is up to date. The loading time is very long and it takes many minutes for the message to disappear, either in Falcon or UVI workstation latest versions.
Sorry to stick my oar in as I'm not overly qualified to deal with tech support but are you streaming from SSD? And are your settings in UVI workstation set to take advantage of that? I don't have Falcon but expect it would have something similar for streaming from SSD.
 
This is my biggest problem with the library. Vibrato is either off or over the top. I love the tone and concept but I will need another solo violin library additionally for gentler vib.

Request copies of the first two versions... each version has some nice sustains with multi-dynamics. V2 - Exp 1 - is still my favorite for this very reason.
 
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