germancomponist
Senior Member
If you have good ears, there is absolutely no need for analog summing tools. Invest in a good studio/mixing room and equipment, and all will get well .... .
The Dangerous D/A box a rep demoed in my room a few years ago was really good, but I'm pretty sure what I was hearing was its really good D/A converters.
I guess I completely missed the point then. I thought the purpose of all the expensive Neve boxes was to get a warmer, smoother, analog sound.
I haven't used Dynaudio's but I would imagine swapping them out for some higher end Focals, PMC's, or Barefoots, would be a massive change and improve your mixes drastically more than a summing box
The only D/A I've heard that is significantly an improvement is an R2R DAC. If you want it relatively cheap in two channel you can get the Soekris R2R in two channel for about $1k. I use this as my reference two channel chain, off a USB reclocker. Unfortunately don't know of any professional R2R's and not in 8 channel surround.
If you want to get an analog sound, use only analog equipment.I guess I completely missed the point then. I thought the purpose of all the expensive Neve boxes was to get a warmer, smoother, analog sound.
Well one thing I've learned through this whole learning experience is there's quite a few (unintentionally) comical YouTube videos of people showing off their 5059's and Portico II's and you can literally hear ZERO difference when A/B'd. I'm sure part of it is YT's crappy audio compression but seriously.... that's what everyone else hears too.
And so I will keep my money and continue using plug-ins. I thought maybe these boxes were some sort of holy grail, but clearly they are not.
The big deal about analog summing is the crosstalk
There's no substitute for experience and a proven track record
That seems very odd to me. There's always some crosstalk between stereo channels in the playback chain, but why would crosstalk in your mixer change the sound in any good way?
Steven Slate
With sex, absolutely - no reason to have it at home when you can hire an experienced professional.
When someone is showing your awesome track to their friend on their phone I doubt they will say "Oh man the analogue summing in this make its sound so much better"
The difference I think is so subtle that unless you are specifically trying to impress and audiophile no one will notice.
When someone is showing your awesome track to their friend on their phone I doubt they will say "Oh man the analogue summing in this make its sound so much better"
If you want to feel what summing does to a mix, try one of the Slate console plugins, it will do the same job and sound just as good. People and Steven Slate himself make a point of doing blind A B comparisons with this kind of thing so have a look around and see if you can find the virtual console collection ones. The thing you will notice is some people get it right, most get it wrong....and these are people who are actively listening for a difference.....The average consumer, who isn't actually listening for it, or know what summing is will ever notice.
So tbh its just not worth the money, unless you have money to throw around of course....in which case put the money to something more overt, or fuck it buy a dirt bike and go ride some awesome mountain somewhere to get inspired to make the music itself better...ok we are strying into my world there so this is a good place to end.
tl;dr not worth the money and no one will notice other than you.
-DJ
EDIT: Sorry I just noticed alot of what I said has already been so. And I could be less of a dick and actually give you the link rather than make you google it haha https://www.slatedigital.com/virtual-console-collection/