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91. Academy Awards Best Original Score

Thanks. Sorry for the link. I edited it. So, thematic development and cultural motives then?

Harzmusic said:
The link you posted is not all Black Panther, if I hear correctly. There seems to be a lot of random generic trailer music thrown in there by the uploader. This appears to be a fake video uploaded for views.
Check out the actual soundtrack on spotify or something similar. There is nice thematic development and a buttload of unusual cultural influences throughout the score.

I didn't give much attention to the score before, but having listened carfully to the album today I don't think it is a bad choice from the academy.
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bachader said:
Thanks. Sorry for the link. I edited it. So, thematic development and cultural motives then?
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Yeah, at least for me that's something I like about it.
Love the unusual percussion and vocal parts. It's nothing I'm gonna listen to a lot, but I wouldn't say it's a regular generic Marvel-score.
Sure, there are the big epic orchestral parts, but then he does stuff like this:


I dig that.
 
brenneisen said:
because it sucks :sleep:
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You are probably right. Obviously, we should have discussed the nominees before the awards.

Black Panther was released 1 year ago and has become one of the most popular movies last year. It is interesting that no one has mentioned about the originality, thematic development or unusual nature of its OST for a year.
 
imo anytime a score thats not a traditional score ala williams/powells etc wins seems to stir these traditional vs non traditional scoring discussions.

i liked the score. i remember very vividly the distored 808 kick drum throughout the bad guy's scene. which totally goes with the storyline; he comes from urban/ghetto style area in the US and an 808 drum for hiphop is a must.. but he made it sound totally badass distored like that, thus giving the character a great theme sound since he was the baddass taking over the throne.
then of course the african sounds w/o making it sound cheesy and the traditional orchestra thorughout the emotional context and action with theme development.
and thats the sound of that movie. with a different composer doing only traditional orchestra it might of sounded too generic superhero and awash with tyler bates/brian tyler/etc and not be unique or diferent to other movies of the same genre. Or going all the way african might of been too cheesy for audiences.
 
bachader said:
It is interesting that no one has mentioned about the originality, thematic development or unusual nature of its OST for a year.
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I think many weren't expecting anything of a marvel score anymore, so they weren't paying attention to it. I know that's what I did. I still didn't watch the movie because I am tired of superheroes.
 
JohnG said:
Horner won two Academy Awards.

@Drundfunk Given that you "can't even remember the score" and "don't think I've watched one movie or listened to any of the other scores nominated," perhaps insinuating that it won solely for political, racial reasons is a weak gambit? With what you admit is nearly zero information, you leap to that?

It was a very unusual movie that caught the imagination of millions of people. The score also is very unusual, especially for an action score; there's a certain amount of "generic" that goes along with much action music and I think he avoided a lot of that. Why shouldn't it deserve a win?
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I think the political card played was pretty lame as well.

I thought both the movie story and score were warmed over. Not impressed with either. But I haven't really thought too much of any scores since Morricone's last Oscar winner, really. I'm an old school dude (like no one could tell).

I love BP with the Avengers (andthe comic, been reading since the 70s).
 
Satorious said:
I've seen Black Panther and I can't even remember any of it - was just typical slam-bam mickey-mousing Marvel fare. To me this was nothing more than a PC point scoring exercise. One score which gave me chills and I felt was criminally overlooked was Justin Hurwitz's First Man - it didn't even get a nomination!
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Are you kidding me? That track is the DEFINITION of forgettable. Did anyone go see that movie?
Ludwig did win a GRAMMY for the Black Panther Score also. Don't hide behind the POLITICAL BS. Just say you didn't like the score and be done with it.

Every award is a reflection or a "sign" of the times. Music from the 70's, 80's and 90's etc... won awards because they spoke to what was happening at that time. Artist in tune with the times have a better chance to win awards. I thought that was obvious.
 
Of course it's political - it's hollyweird. They're all too petrified not to throw black panther some kind of bone lest they have to deal with some kind of massive outcry today.
 
ionian said:
Of course it's political - it's hollyweird. They're all too petrified not to throw black panther some kind of bone lest they have to deal with some kind of massive outcry today.
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Seems like its only selectively "political" based on who won. Your choice wins. Good choice. Not your choice its political.
 
gsilbers said:
imo anytime a score thats not a traditional score ala williams/powells etc wins seems to stir these traditional vs non traditional scoring discussions.
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Gravity won 5 years ago so it's not like the Oscars are super biased to traditional scoring.

I think the Oscars just don't have a very good voting system. The entire Academy gets to vote on every award? That makes no sense to me. What qualifies Brad Pitt to decide which film had the best costumes? What qualifies Hans Zimmer to decide who the best actor was? It is even less appropriate with the editing and scoring Oscars since those elements of a film are meant to make a subconscious impact. A typical audience would only consciously notice the craft of editing in a movie where it's deliberately foregrounded. Movies like Baby Driver or The Big Short getting nominated for Best Editing demonstrates that well.

It seems the scoring Oscar sometimes ends up being one more prize on the pile when the Academy wants to heavily reward a particular film. Sometimes this is merited like Lord Of The Rings's sweep, and sometimes it ends up more like The Imitation Game or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

The film score Oscars should be decided by composers. And there should be more nominations, and only a single round of voting. Invite all the nominees and reveal on the night which film got the most nominations. That would preserve the award ceremony drama while also not letting the Academy throw Black Panther a prize just because they're scared of more #OscarsSoWhite backlash.

The fact that BP & Wonder Woman are two of the most successful superhero films EVER in their respective franchises, is doing more for diversity anyway, than a bunch of lame award-show buzz. Studios chase money not statuettes.
 
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patrick76 said:
I am really enjoying the score to Vice. Thank you for mentioning it as I had not previously listened to it.
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The music of Beale street hits me before the images and the dialogue. Perhaps that's just the edit though. The characters don't talk but walk and gaze. All the while, the music is prominent.
I honestly enjoyed all the best score nominations. I think they served their projects well.
 
The Oscars are worse and worse. The Score for BP was not worthy of winning at all, I have to listen to it again today, and nope, this is absolutely forgettable material.
 
ionian said:
Of course it's political - it's hollyweird. They're all too petrified not to throw black panther some kind of bone lest they have to deal with some kind of massive outcry today.
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Well, this year it was more obvious than ever, and what movie has a better disposition to show how they love people of other colors than white than a movie with a "black" in his title. The fact that this was even nominated for the BEST MOVIE is absolutely insane...
 
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