What ideas interest you?
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gregh
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I am interested in ideas too - I tend to have one "on the go" for quite some time until I resolve it to my satisfaction, then I stop thinking about it pretty much and basically forget everything about it except the resolution I came to.
My main interests over the last few years have been "free-will" and recently "time". Free-will I'm happy with, Time sort of but not totally. (Free will is a feeling we get when we explore our agency. We don't experience time.)
Prior to that I was mainly interested in the adaptive function of music - how music works in an evolutionary and neuro-biological sense. I'm pretty happy with how that went as well
(I have a background in neuroscience and cognition and am not happy with a solution until it is in strictly materialist terms).
(the evolution of music relates to the attribution of leadership through synchronisation of motion)
I don't really have something on the go at the moment but still not totaly happy with the way I think about Time
My main interests over the last few years have been "free-will" and recently "time". Free-will I'm happy with, Time sort of but not totally. (Free will is a feeling we get when we explore our agency. We don't experience time.)
Prior to that I was mainly interested in the adaptive function of music - how music works in an evolutionary and neuro-biological sense. I'm pretty happy with how that went as well
(I have a background in neuroscience and cognition and am not happy with a solution until it is in strictly materialist terms).(the evolution of music relates to the attribution of leadership through synchronisation of motion)
I don't really have something on the go at the moment but still not totaly happy with the way I think about Time
Parsifal666
I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Whatever ideas lead me away from witnessing the horrific dumbing down of music. Music truly has gone to the dogs this century...I can't help but think there could be an adult great composer out there whom practically no one knows about. There's so much of the same s*&( being mass produced out there that anything that has any sort of original or purely expressive content is literally suffocated by the lowest common denominator.
Why isn't there a Mozart of Beethoven today? He or she would need one hell of an agent (and god forbid they're ugly or over 30).
Why isn't there a Mozart of Beethoven today? He or she would need one hell of an agent (and god forbid they're ugly or over 30).
Crowe
part raven, part troll
Fiction.
Basically our purely human ability to make stuff up and find solace in it.
In relation to the post above, I despise time. I've yet to find a workable way with the ever present feeling that time is running out. Also, spending 40 hours a week on a job you don't really enjoy because I'm not at a level to do what I love professionally really takes it out of you. As such, concepts that used to interest me, such as philosophy, now fall under the header "I have no time for that". Music, Fiction and Family, as much as I manage, are all I feel I have time for.
Basically our purely human ability to make stuff up and find solace in it.
In relation to the post above, I despise time. I've yet to find a workable way with the ever present feeling that time is running out. Also, spending 40 hours a week on a job you don't really enjoy because I'm not at a level to do what I love professionally really takes it out of you. As such, concepts that used to interest me, such as philosophy, now fall under the header "I have no time for that". Music, Fiction and Family, as much as I manage, are all I feel I have time for.
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Crowe
part raven, part troll
I think music has evolved with the times (disregarding horrible pop and trap and other stuff). Some of the most wonderful music I've witnessed has come from Film and Videogames. You speak of dumbing down, but if something is beautiful why would it need to be exceedingly complicated? John Williams may not be Beethoven and yet I prefer his music above Beethoven's every day of the week. I'm not even sure I would call his work 'dumbed down' in relation.
Not only that, but I've heard (and seen) folks play more complicated and harmonically interesting stuff than for example a Mozart. Yet these musicians do not get the same recognition. Perhaps, as a culture, we are over it. Or perhaps one needs to be dead for a couple hundred years before they are accepted into the foundations of culture.
Hah. Perhaps that's why you feel like it's been getting worse 'this century'.
MA-Simon
Senior Member
Technological age divide.
For example, my parents barely use mobile phones and pc's, while I am expected to use an ever growing number of highly complicated programs, machines, apps and environments (the internet has become a mystery to most people, getting more convoluted and unwieldy by the minute.) to minimally function at my job. For me internet usage is almost like a sixt sense, because I grew up with it. I can almost feel my way before each click. I know what to expect, which adds to trust, were not to go, what sites are legit, how to search... fast, but to someone not in the know... it can only be magic and mystery, like that mother in her 40 using facebook and playing candycrush? I am scared for her. How would she know? Can I really trust my parents with that much power?
And they are not even 60 yet. I can only imagine what the world looks like for older people.
Or people jobsearching in their 40/50s. If I was an employer, I would not hire "old=stuck" pleople either. Shure, some folk educate themselfes, but most are just getting swept with the tide.
Unfortunally that gap is a real thing and it is only getting wider.
In a more positive interest: 3D Printing.
Currently doing a lot of 3D-Stuff for clients. It's fun!
For example, my parents barely use mobile phones and pc's, while I am expected to use an ever growing number of highly complicated programs, machines, apps and environments (the internet has become a mystery to most people, getting more convoluted and unwieldy by the minute.) to minimally function at my job. For me internet usage is almost like a sixt sense, because I grew up with it. I can almost feel my way before each click. I know what to expect, which adds to trust, were not to go, what sites are legit, how to search... fast, but to someone not in the know... it can only be magic and mystery, like that mother in her 40 using facebook and playing candycrush? I am scared for her. How would she know? Can I really trust my parents with that much power?
And they are not even 60 yet. I can only imagine what the world looks like for older people.
Or people jobsearching in their 40/50s. If I was an employer, I would not hire "old=stuck" pleople either. Shure, some folk educate themselfes, but most are just getting swept with the tide.
Unfortunally that gap is a real thing and it is only getting wider.
In a more positive interest: 3D Printing.
Currently doing a lot of 3D-Stuff for clients. It's fun!
Parsifal666
I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Dude, is this a joke? Because there isn't a single paid musician I know that will do anything but die laughing off of this.
I'll pay you the ultimate respect and pretend it was joke. Just either hope others treat it the same or...better yet, delete the comment. You're still relatively new to this board and don't need the embarrassment. Even more amusing would be for you to share some audio/video of this player absolutely no one knows about, please. Or, better yet, don't. We already know he or she ain't that.
Most hilarious quote I've seen this year. Honestly no offense meant, but anyone whom has studied Mozart is thinking very lowly of your musical opinion right now, bud. Take my advice: delete that post and I'll even do you a big favor and delete this one if you do. I mean this in the kindest manner. Really. Think whether you want people to irrevocably remember you as saying such horse manure.
You'll thank me later, my friend. I'm only looking out for your future here.
Another great bit of advice: listen to any of the piano concerti after the k400 mark and really listen this time, preferably while reading the score. If you can read the score (just sayin').
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gregh
Senior Member
Ageist or what! You realise most of the stuff you use was developed and invented by people who are 60+ Takes 20 years at least to go from research projects to product. Most times much longer.
What you are fooled by is the idea that the technologies you use are central to being "modern". That's just a reflection of fantastic marketing. The whole idea of developing a "generation gap" came out of US marketing in the late 50's early 60's. it was seen that exploiting young people was easier if they were flattered into thinking they had secret knowledge (more up to date) than their parents. This enabled marketers to diminish the influence of parents over young peoples purchasing decisions. Has been fantastically successful - the latest incarnation being in IT where the most inane useless junk canmake millions overnight, then disappear. Perfect optimisation of consumption.
Parsifal666
I don't even own a DAW, I'm just a troll.
Music is one of if not the most obvious examples of where this whole "progress" horse s#@$ sucks bogwater. There's nothing out there the level of Bach, Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart, Mahler, and hasn't been since probably Richard Strauss. In other words, this century doesn't even meet the standards of one hundred years ago...the skill sets have diminished that obviously, and not just among composers.
Young people do need to listen to older, studied, experienced people in music...especially when it comes to listing people like Kanye West as a great composer. The last great composer in music (at least Occidental music) died shortly after the second world war, and most musicologists (shoot most music graduates) would have a hard time refuting that. Not that there hasn't been wonderful music since...hell no, and I happen to like more than a few two and three chord rehashes. But no one's convincing a music graduate that music has progressed anywhere since Strauss, Bartok.
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MA-Simon
Senior Member
I hear you. And that is true for some things.
But the day-to-day reality is different.
The software I use in this industry changes monthly. New updates, developments renderers etc. If you are not constantly following development, you are already behind and outdated to your employer.
Shure, broad things like the technological bases have been arround for a bit. But your averange person has stopped being interested in new stuff after those "bases" have been covered. There is a lot happening, but after those needs were covered a lot have just stopped looking outside their box.
gregh
Senior Member
which industry?
MA-Simon
Senior Member
3D / Gamedesign in my case. Which is probably not a fair comparison.
But I meant more simple stuff, like knowing how to use the internet properly, setting up a wifi connection, interacting with your computer. I am constantly baffled by people not grasping the simplest of concepts in regards to their workstations.
gregh
Senior Member
shows you how badly those things are designed if so many people are having problems. Or perhaps they are designed that way to preserve a techno elite
I think you are getting confused about generalising out the importance of knowledge in your own domain to the needs of others (with a bit of selection bias)
Can you perform simple surgery? I'm amazed how many can't and yet it is verycommon and quite necessary.
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Alex Fraser
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Maybe take your own advice.
Crowe
part raven, part troll
Oh no, an opinion. Whatever will I do?
You should follow your own advice, pretentious elitism is not a good look on anyone. Great joke though, as your reply was utterly devoid of any respect towards differening viewpoints.
I wasn't trying to prove anything, just illustrate an idea. Art criticism is inherently subjective. Calm the fuck down.
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Vik
Vi-k
This is a large topic which easily could take over this thread. Not that that would be a problem, but IMO part of this has to do with what we *like* to listen to, and not about how complex the music is - and especially not how complicated it is. I can mention several of the great composers who I could categorise as being geniuses, but personally - being unique and having the ability come up with something I really want to hear, many times and can enjoy on several different levels is what I'm looking for.... not 'complicated'. We have girlfriends, DAW bugs and the music industry for that.
MaschineMind
Pro Crastinator
The only ideas that interest me are ideas for new future Drama Zone threads, such as this one 
