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Cinematic Studio Brass vs.Cinebrass

I'm torn between the 2. I have Cinebrass, and after having it for many years I'm a bit fed up with the sound and CSB is very appealing. On the other hand, as someone pointed out, CSB despite being better in probably everything could be a Cinebrass 2.0 in terms of sound (aimed more towards a classical sound). I've uploaded a small snippet with Cinebrass (Church reverb from Seventh Heaven and some Izotope/Neutron presets). Could someone with CSB have a go at it? And feel free to make it pretty with reverb. I've attached the midi as well. Cheers!



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N.Caffrey said:
I'm torn between the 2. I have Cinebrass, and after having it for many years I'm a bit fed up with the sound and CSB is very appealing. On the other hand, as someone pointed out, CSB despite being better in probably everything could be a Cinebrass 2.0 in terms of sound (aimed more towards a classical sound). I've uploaded a small snippet with Cinebrass (Church reverb from Seventh Heaven and some Izotope/Neutron presets). Could someone with CSB have a go at it? And feel free to make it pretty with reverb. I've attached the midi as well. Cheers!



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Are you just bored with the sound? Or does it not do what you want?
 
ChrisSiuMusic said:
Are you just bored with the sound? Or does it not do what you want?
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Mm a bit of both I suppose. Cinebrass has been one of the first libraries I bought many years ago, so I'd like to hear a different brass sound, but I also see some of its limitation. @ricoderks made an amazing piece with CSB, and I think I wouldn't be able to achieve that realism with Cinebrass.
 
N.Caffrey said:
Could someone with CSB have a go at it? And feel free to make it pretty with reverb. I've attached the midi as well. Cheers!
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I took that into CSB and pretty much kept the MIDI as it is, but lowered the high dynamics a tad and added a bunch of reverb. Since you played chords, I wasn't sure, if you wanted the solo instruments or ensembles, so there is a version for both.

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Scamper said:
I took that into CSB and pretty much kept the MIDI as it is, but lowered the high dynamics a tad and added a bunch of reverb. Since you played chords, I wasn't sure, if you wanted the solo instruments or ensembles, so there is a version for both.

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Thank you so much!
 
IdealSequenceG said:
Yes, and an individual library.
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So by individual do you mean Core or Pro?

EDIT- Oh I see, Descant Horn, that's a separate product from them, I like that it still has that great CineBrass tone and that it seems to incorporate a nice dynamic range, but the more I play with CSB each day, the more I have fallen for the legato scripting. In fact, I also have 'recouped' my desire to have drier libraries, my Berlin Brass seems so darn distant and blurry compared to this new library. I am excited to see what CineSamples does with 90s horns....
 
gjelul said:
CineBrass still holds its ground imo. The only thing that I never understood is the GUI and the fonts Cinesamples uses, outdated and not easy to read. When it comes to the sound though, tough to beat.

Having both would be the way to go :)
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That is true - Cinesamples GUIs are often ugly, especially the CineBrass, CineStrings and so. But I don't care about that as long as they sound great, what they do! :)
 
I know this is a bit off topic, but I was searching for brass libraries, and came across Century Brass...To me, sounds fantastic, and has way more articulations than Cinebrass. Is there anyone that can please give me the tale of the tape for Cinebrass compared to Century Brass? Thanks. This is mostly for cinematic scoring, nothing too classical. I would like the dynamics to be full range, pp-ff if that exists in either library. Thank you!!!
 
marclawsonmusic said:
Here is a comparison of CSB and CineBrass Core playing the opening to Back To The Future (first CSB, then CB). Both examples use the main mics (Dennis Sands on CB, Mix mic on CSB) and no processing.
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The thing that kind of bothers me with CB is that on this particular example, every single note played by CB has this kind of "Bwah" on every single attack. It happens literally right at the beginning of every note and it's very fast. It kills the sound for me because it almost makes it sound like you're attacking every single note which isn't how a real player plays.

I don't own CB (or CSB for that matter, I use a Yamaha wind controller and Sample Modeling Brass) so I'm not sure if it's something that can be programmed out. Maybe it's just how this particular excerpt was played or programmed and maybe it's something that can be fixed with a keyswitch or velocity. I'm just stating what jumped out at me the the minute I heard the CB example. It's not present in the CSB example, which to me sounds more "fluid" because of that.
 
ionian said:
The thing that kind of bothers me with CB is that on this particular example, every single note played by CB has this kind of "Bwah" on every single attack. It happens literally right at the beginning of every note and it's very fast. It kills the sound for me because it almost makes it sound like you're attacking every single note which isn't how a real player plays.

I don't own CB (or CSB for that matter, I use a Yamaha wind controller and Sample Modeling Brass) so I'm not sure if it's something that can be programmed out. Maybe it's just how this particular excerpt was played or programmed and maybe it's something that can be fixed with a keyswitch or velocity. I'm just stating what jumped out at me the the minute I heard the CB example. It's not present in the CSB example, which to me sounds more "fluid" because of that.
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No, that's just kind of how CB sounds. It's a tongued/accented start to the notes. The legato transitions all have a slight tongued transition as well.

In earnest - I know a lot of people have used cinebrass forever and love the sound. But at this point I'd say Cinebrass is simply outclassed by better sampling and scripting that has come along.

Yes, you can get workable results with Cinebrass. Yes, it has a nice overall tone. But it really is not all that consistent (certain articulations have different volumes/dynamic ranges/etc), the instruments have fairly limited dynamic range (core doesn't really go brassy loud), and there's concessions all over between core and pro. There's also a lot of warbly notes, a few tuning issues, and pro has some serious noise floor problems. There's also a lot of inconsistency in volume from note to note on the pro instruments.

Given how much more dedicated (and affordable) dedicated brass libraries have come out recently, and how many are set to come out over the next year, I'd say Cinebrass sits pretty far behind in terms of the competition. At this point other than a couple standout instruments I feel like Cinebrass was a mistake purchase on my end. It just won't see much use because I have more flexible, easier tools at my disposal.

It would be wicked if they had an update that took care of these things. But I think at this point Cinesamples would have to make an entirely new library with better sampling to really compete with what is available.
 
Brian Nowak said:
No, that's just kind of how CB sounds. It's a tongued/accented start to the notes. The legato transitions all have a slight tongued transition as well.

In earnest - I know a lot of people have used cinebrass forever and love the sound. But at this point I'd say Cinebrass is simply outclassed by better sampling and scripting that has come along.

Yes, you can get workable results with Cinebrass. Yes, it has a nice overall tone. But it really is not all that consistent (certain articulations have different volumes/dynamic ranges/etc), the instruments have fairly limited dynamic range (core doesn't really go brassy loud), and there's concessions all over between core and pro. There's also a lot of warbly notes, a few tuning issues, and pro has some serious noise floor problems. There's also a lot of inconsistency in volume from note to note on the pro instruments.

Given how much more dedicated (and affordable) dedicated brass libraries have come out recently, and how many are set to come out over the next year, I'd say Cinebrass sits pretty far behind in terms of the competition. At this point other than a couple standout instruments I feel like Cinebrass was a mistake purchase on my end. It just won't see much use because I have more flexible, easier tools at my disposal.

It would be wicked if they had an update that took care of these things. But I think at this point Cinesamples would have to make an entirely new library with better sampling to really compete with what is available.
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How do you feel about Century Brass? I’ve been looking into it, and I think it’s much more flexible than CB, and the cross fades sound great. Also has a wider dynamic range.

I’d love to get an opinion on it. Thanks
 
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