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Cinematic Studio Brass vs.Cinebrass

Still a good library after a many years, I wish they would bring back the old dynamics... :(
What was different about the old dynamics in CB? I'm just happy they brought the slider for the dynamic volume range.

The libraries sound quite similar here, but when the piece comes to the fanfarish part, CB has that nice brassiness while CSB sound is more restrainted. But CSB legatos are way better.
I find the brassy CB sound more rounded and in a way more pleasant, but while CB is pretty much maxed there, CSB is at CC1/dynamics of 80-90, so it can go louder and brassier.

Thanks @Scamper! To avoid confusion, in your composition CSB is first, but in the other files it's CB first?
Yes, that's right. I should have kept this consistent.
 
Great information everyone! I now know what my custom brass library would be...

1) Legato scripting, dynamic crossfades and GUI of CSB
2) Articulation list and individual-sampled-player aspect of Berlin Brass
3) Recorded in the Sony room (for that CineSamples Tone) + the trumpet ensemble patch & mix mic position
4) As an alternative to the 4Horn patch, I'd also invite the 6Horns patch from Hollywood Brass with the 2Horns patch for chording purposes.

And 5) Snappy shorts from CB rather than CSB
 
I find the brassy CB sound more rounded and in a way more pleasant, but while CB is pretty much maxed there, CSB is at CC1/dynamics of 80-90, so it can go louder and brassier.
Really? Do you have the demo saved? Could you push CSB in the fanfarish part from 0:29 onward to the more brassier level?
 
What was different about the old dynamics in CB? I'm just happy they brought the slider for the dynamic volume range.
I think it was 1.6. update where they did some normalizing for the samples, before that it was just raw dynamics that was recorded. For me the dynamics sounded really good and natural and I still use the old instruments sometimes. The old legato and etc. are of course not on the bar with the new improved ones, but for simple dynamic things it works.

-Hannes
 
Really? Do you have the demo saved? Could you push CSB in the fanfarish part from 0:29 onward to the more brassier level?
Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

CineBrass first, then CSB.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/cinebrass-vs-csb-highdynamics-mp3.17610/][/AUDIOPLUS]
 

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Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

CineBrass first, then CSB.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/cinebrass-vs-csb-highdynamics-mp3.17610/][/AUDIOPLUS]

I want CSB to sound better, but here I find CB having the edge with it's rounder sound.
 
Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

CineBrass first, then CSB.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/cinebrass-vs-csb-highdynamics-mp3.17610/][/AUDIOPLUS]

Thank you!! CineBrass does sound great. Any chance to upload that midi file?
 
Don't have it yet but CSB here sounds fantastic. I recently purchased Century Brass and that and CSB seemingly sound quite close.
 
I want CSB to sound better, but here I find CB having the edge with it's rounder sound.
Right, I also like the rounder sound, but since this is really the top end of CSB, I see it more of an extra. Mostly, I will probably keep it around the level of the whole track with dynamic values of up to 100. I think in this range it also has more body, but yeah, CineBrass still has it's warm quality.

Thank you!! CineBrass does sound great. Any chance to upload that midi file?
Sure, but since I just had it, here's the midi file for the whole track (CSB part), if that's alright. The notes for Bass Trombone and Tuba are up an octave there because of CSB.
 

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Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

CineBrass first, then CSB.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/cinebrass-vs-csb-highdynamics-mp3.17610/][/AUDIOPLUS]
Thank you. Hm. They sound rather similar here.

I don't know what you guys call a "rounder" sound, but to me, CSB is the one that has a rounder tone, CB is more open at the high end. Just like CSS, CSB have this darker top end, is it due to the room or the recording equipment? Dunno, but CSSS sound quite normal.
 
Right, I also like the rounder sound, but since this is really the top end of CSB, I see it more of an extra. Mostly, I will probably keep it around the level of the whole track with dynamic values of up to 100. I think in this range it also has more body, but yeah, CineBrass still has it's warm quality.


Sure, but since I just had it, here's the midi file for the whole track (CSB part), if that's alright. The notes for Bass Trombone and Tuba are up an octave there because of CSB.

Wow- thanks so much! Are you using the 1.6 or 1.7 version of CineBrass? Which mapping system for articulation changing do you prefer in CineBrass? Thank you again.
 
I don't know what you guys call a "rounder" sound, but to me, CSB is the one that has a rounder tone, CB is more open at the high end. Just like CSS, CSB have this darker top end, is it due to the room or the recording equipment?

Interesting. At this maximum dynamic (considering CineBrass is a level below CSB), I perceive CineBrass to be rounder, meaning warmer and having more body, while CSB becomes super brassy and sharp without low end, but I would think this is just the nature of the brass sound at this dynamic for a recording, isn't it?

Wow- thanks so much! Are you using the 1.6 or 1.7 version of CineBrass? Which mapping system for articulation changing do you prefer in CineBrass? Thank you again.
Sorry, the MIDI was for CSB. I'll post the version for CineBrass as well. I'm using CineBrass 1.7 with the standard mapping, pedal for sustains and key velocity for short articulations.
 
Thank you. Hm. They sound rather similar here.

I don't know what you guys call a "rounder" sound, but to me, CSB is the one that has a rounder tone, CB is more open at the high end. Just like CSS, CSB have this darker top end, is it due to the room or the recording equipment? Dunno, but CSSS sound quite normal.
Yes, CSB sounds a lot darker compared to CB. For my taste CB wins this one. It seems that if you are looking for a library for fanfares or really loud dynamics, CB is still hard to beat.

Edit: Actually listening it again, I think it's just some mid's that are really dominant in the CSB sound, making it sound more rounder. It still has the brassiness in the top end, but with CB it sounds more obvious.

-Hannes
 
Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

CineBrass first, then CSB.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/cinebrass-vs-csb-highdynamics-mp3.17610/][/AUDIOPLUS]
I think I prefer CSB here. I think it could be warmed up a bit with reverb and sounds cleaner and more punchy to my ears.
 
Yes, CSB sounds a lot darker compared to CB. For my taste CB wins this one. It seems that if you are looking for a library for fanfares or really loud dynamics, CB is still hard to beat.

Edit: Actually listening it again, I think it's just some mid's that are really dominant in the CSB sound, making it sound more rounder. It still has the brassiness in the top end, but with CB it sounds more obvious.

-Hannes
EQing the High dynamics demo, I think you are right. Cutting some mids (still trying to figure out the right frequencies) can help, plus adding some top end to open the sound (not much, like +1 dB maybe) and some reverb.
CB feels more spacious and the sound is great out of the box, but with that eq and reverb help, CSB sounds really good, together with that playability... Hmmm... F**k! I just want more money, that's what I need. :roflmao: To buy them all.

Btw using frequency analyzer is fricking useless. Both libraries have so similar frequency profile that you basically have to eq it by ear.

But I think there's a possibility 90s legatos will be even tighter than CSB. From what I've heard from the Trumpets alone, the fast legato is really good (plus it has the auto borrow) and you can choose what attack type you want, so it's like CSB's marcato legato. The dyn range in CSB is wider, IMO.
 
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