ChrisSiuMusic
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For those with both libraries, I would love to hear your thoughts between these 2 collections!
I’m sure we’ll have a comparison thread for that as soon as it’s released.Too early to start a brass comparison thread, why not wait for Audiobro MSB in Q1,2019. We are not far from that.
It’s never too soon for a comparison thread by why not make it a general brass comparison thread rather than that specific one?I’m sure we’ll have a comparison thread for that as soon as it’s released.
I am curious through in this comparison, as I have the Cinebrass bundle, but am wondering what users of both think.
I feel that there are quite a few general brass threads already (such as this one: https://vi-control.net/community/threads/brass-which-one.76650/#post-4304215), and those who may be wondering the same questions as me could find this thread useful after some more input. I’m all for a new general thread once more libs come out next year!It’s never too soon for a comparison thread by why not make it a general brass comparison thread rather than that specific one?
I’m sure we’ll have a comparison thread for that as soon as it’s released.
I am curious through in this comparison, as I have the Cinebrass bundle, but am wondering what users of both think.
That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts John! Would you be able to do a slow and fast legato example for horn 1 in BB and solo horn in CSB? Also, I’ve heard others say the 6 Horns is weak in CB, but I find myself using it in every cue. I’m less of a fan of the 2 horns, because although they’re great for chords, they only have 1 type of short recorded.Which patches would you like compared? I can play a few lines in both and post. I find them to be close in room sound (if you turn off the built in Default IR in CineBrass). The legato transitions in CSB sound to me like a midpoint between the exposed slurs in Berlin Brass and the more directed slurs in CineBrass. The dynamic crossfading is so so good in CSB that the library has so many more uses. The CineBrass 6horns is a weak point to me and the CSB 4horns make up for it.
@ChrisSiuMusic From watching and listening to your stuff, I think you'll find CSB to straddle the fence between CB and BB. Since you have CSS, you'll also appreciate how well they work together. Honestly (with the exception of low dynamic part-writing) I could see myself doing without BB now that I have CSB. The superhero sound of the Trumpet Ensemble in CineBrass will always remain in my template, but much of the rest of CineBrass is also covered by CSB.
In another thread I mentioned feeling like CSB is a reprogrammed and rescripted (and scaled down) Hollywood Brass for Kontakt.
That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts John! Would you be able to do a slow and fast legato example for horn 1 in BB and solo horn in CSB? Also, I’ve heard others say the 6 Horns is weak in CB, but I find myself using it in every cue. I’m less of a fan of the 2 horns, because although they’re great for chords, they only have 1 type of short recorded.
One of the main reasons I’m curious about this comparison is because I’m wondering if CSB can put forth the same level of dynamic heroism and inspiration that Cinebrass does? The Sony room does a lot to enhance the sound, so I’m curious about the natural ambience of Trackdown as well.
Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
Noticed 6 horns on CB and only 4 horns on CSB, can you give us a more equal comparison
It's not really about the numbers, it's about the scripting.
Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
Noticed 6 horns on CB and only 4 horns on CSB, can you give us a more equal comparison
Bumpy transitions is a problem IMO with much of the whole Cine line-up, including their strings. Which is unfortunate since better scripting could take it to a whole new level. Legatos are also not sampled "long-form" (meaning they do x-fades into every destination note).Thanks for the comparison. While I think the tone of CS is absolutely great I find (at least in your example) the transitions..so clunky and bumpy with Cinebrass. CSB handles that there imo much better, sounds so much more smooth. Is that something you can fix with programming or using different patches?
I'd add that those folks who are accustomed to Berlin Brass will find much more familiarity with the sound and scripting of CSB. Check out this example. While somewhat similar, The main difference you'll notice is that BB horn 1 is at mod wheel 127 and CSB is only halfway up on xfade. CSB is like the missing link to BB's dynamics. I imagine them working well together.
Thanks for the comparison. While I think the tone of CS is absolutely great I find (at least in your example) the transitions..so clunky and bumpy with Cinebrass. CSB handles that there imo much better, sounds so much more smooth. Is that something you can fix with programming or using different patches?