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So we kind of get that here in odd but intriguing combination
I think they want us to consider these new instruments, rather than combos. Obviously, we'll need to hear them first to be sold on that, since the articulation lists PDF can't really convey a new sound.

Ironically, they stopped giving the ensembles goofy names like they did in Arks 1 & 2 (e.g. PFARRACKER STRINGS) but it would make the most sense to use those invented names for blends if they really want them to come across as new instruments. Rather than a cocktail of, say, Contrabassoon + Euphonium + Tuba, call it OZYMANDIAS LOWS or somesuch.
 
Honestly, I'm surprised at all the breathless admiration for the trailer's sound. I think it's a B-plus at best.

The writing is very engaging, though -- a nice composition.
 
Honestly, I'm surprised at all the breathless admiration for the trailer's sound. I think it's a B-plus at best.

The writing is very engaging, though -- a nice composition.
I think the trailer is fine for what it is, just not especially revealing about the potential of the library.
 
B-plus at best? Describe what you feel is lacking.

I don't like to disparage anything, but I am quite surprised at the enthusiastic response. Sonically, it reveals itself over and over as fake / sampled. I do think it's pretty good -- I don't regard a B-plus as failing; quite the opposite.

That said, I think Andy Blaney's demos for Spitfire blow the doors off this trailer, nice though the composing is.
 
I am on a fence to buy this one, although I already have BHCT. I think it would actually complement BHCT, in a way. I am waiting for the walkthrough as well in order to make a final decision, but only if they show it before the release...
 
The history keeps repeating itself over and over. If I remember correctly the thread about Ark 3 was very similar to this one. We also had to wait for a proper walkthrough.
Each and every post in this thread be it a negative or a positive one (including mine) says: “This has caught my attention, will they make it again or will they fail? What’s it gonna be like?” I might not like this marketing approach but judging from the number of posts in this thread, just a short teaser works for OT and helps to build that inevitable hype quite well.
 
I bet someone at OT's headquarters is telling the rest of the team right now "See guys, I told you it was a great idea to call it that!"
Maybe. I think it's silly and a bit precious that has given all the citations of it an edge of satire.
 
The history keeps repeating itself over and over. If I remember correctly the thread about Ark 3 was very similar to this one. We also had to wait for a proper walkthrough.
Each and every post in this thread be it a negative or a positive one (including mine) says: “This has caught my attention, will they make it again or will they fail? What’s it gonna be like?” I might not like this marketing approach but judging from the number of posts in this thread, just a short teaser works for OT and helps to build that inevitable hype quite well.
I don't recall the sequence of release of walkthroughs for Ark 3, but I do remember thinking I had a good idea what the library was aiming at. The same was true of Time Macro. This one, not so much. That's not a bad thing in itself, but it means it will likely take some time to sort out whether this is something I will find useful.
 
The demo sounds good to me (as OT demos always do). What I'm scratching my head about, though, is that considering this is a pretty big grab bag things, are these articulations markedly different than what we may already have in the Berlin series instruments?

I may be interested in this library, but I wonder if this scattering of resources in so many places for similar instruments really complicates the process of composing. I may already have a template with Berlin series instruments loaded, but if I want to go louder, I need to rummage around in file folders and locate these louder samplers. I kind of thinking of it like having a socket wrench set in the basement, but then when I'm working on a project, I realize that the size I need is out in the garage, and I have to go search for that. ;)
 
Having Ark1, many posts /comments over time make adding Ark2 very comfortable ….as enhancing /complementing Ark1.
Ark3 has been less clear …… in terms of how it enhances /rounds out the Ark concept.
With Ark4 now here, I'm finding it tougher now to go from 2-to-3 vs 2-to-4 ...
( Now using: Ark1; BO_Inspire 1 & 2; Time Macro )

Is this more obvious to those who have 1-2-3 and considering Ark 4 ?
 
Is this more obvious to those who have 1-2-3 and considering Ark 4 ?
I don't think the concept of Ark 4 is at all obvious other than being oriented around smaller forces, perhaps a kind of POWER CHAMBER ORCHESTRA with POWER LEGATO. But that's just an inkling and I really have little idea what Ark 4 even is at this point, especially how it will complement/supplement the other Arks. It does look like Ark 4 will be more flexible than Ark 3, and so potentially more useful for me (though many say they use Ark 3 all the time, I haven't found I turn to it often).
 
I don't like to disparage anything, but I am quite surprised at the enthusiastic response. Sonically, it reveals itself over and over as fake / sampled. I do think it's pretty good -- I don't regard a B-plus as failing; quite the opposite.

That said, I think Andy Blaney's demos for Spitfire blow the doors off this trailer, nice though the composing is.

There’s a sense that Sasha’s demos almost define the OT sound for me, insofar as I’ve got my head around exactly what the OT sound is. Ark is always a bit too epic for me, although Time Macro, which I thing we can reasonably understand as a conceptual descendent of Ark 3, is something I’m really coming to love, although after quite a lot of effort to figure out what it’s even about. This new Ark - no idea what it’s meant to be about. Even less than my during my initial near total puzzlement over Time Macro. But I’m very curious about what the vision behind it is. (Ie, accepting that super aggressive chamber ensembles is a thing now - what the hell kind of is it, actually? Should be fun to find out).

OT have had some dreadful, if stylish and usually kind of fun, marketing buzzwords lately, that I thing is, like any marketing really , entirely worth mocking at least a little. But none of this diminished the quality of their work.

A nice thing about spitfire demos is that after a while you can really get a sense of the the library from knowing their approaches. Andy is always hyper virtuosic. While Christian’s demos are virtuosic, not so much in the the complexities of their harmonies and such, but in the way he crafts the sonority (I don’t want to say sound design, because it’s more than that, and it’s a dimension hugely important to libraries like Time Macro and, well, most spitfire libraries). Demos by Oliver and Paul come in at varoius points on the Christian to Andy spectrum. And then there’s Homay’s demos ... and I particularly love her sense of texture, which isn’t quite the same as Christian’s deep sense of sonority, but it has singlehandedly sold on libirares like LCO (though it still took me a long time to get my head aroud exactly what it’s about).

I’d love to see what kind of demos Sasha and the OT team could come up with for things like the Olafur Evo. But if OT really wants to sell me on Ark2 - which is the one I’m most intrigued by, then, well I suppose it would be too much to hope that the spitfire team might all contibute demos? And an Andy demo for Ark4 would be amazing as well.

Looking forward to the actual OT demos of this particular OT product also, of course :)
 
Maybe. I think it's silly and a bit precious that has given all the citations of it an edge of satire.
Oh I'm sure almost no one here thinks it's a great idea, but everyone is talking about it, and it has become an instant meme that gets brought up in other threads as well. "There is no bad PR" or something like that. Undecided people tend to buy the familiar brand...
 
The demo sounds good to me (as OT demos always do). What I'm scratching my head about, though, is that considering this is a pretty big grab bag things, are these articulations markedly different than what we may already have in the Berlin series instruments?

I may be interested in this library, but I wonder if this scattering of resources in so many places for similar instruments really complicates the process of composing. I may already have a template with Berlin series instruments loaded, but if I want to go louder, I need to rummage around in file folders and locate these louder samplers. I kind of thinking of it like having a socket wrench set in the basement, but then when I'm working on a project, I realize that the size I need is out in the garage, and I have to go search for that. ;)
8Dio's Wrenchenspeil is still available at $8. It should have all the wrenches you need without going to the garage :D
 
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