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Orchestral Tools Metropolis Ark 4 - Elite Orchestral Forces

Am I the only one not really very intrigued by this? It doesn't seem to offer much that you can't already achieve by simply layering other OT libs (or libs from other devs of course). I mean I can always layer a horn and a flute if I want to ... why do I need them to do it for me? I'm not trying to be negative, just genuinely curious what the main incentive to purchase would be here. All three Arks so far I think brought something unique to the table ... as did Time Macro. This library doesn't quite seem to be doing that ... or at least not nearly to the same extent as its predecessors. But who knows, maybe my tune will change after seeing the walkthrough.
 
All three Arks so far I think brought something unique to the table ... as did Time Macro. This library doesn't quite seem to be doing that ... or at least not nearly to the same extent as its predecessors. But who knows, maybe my tune will change after seeing the walkthrough.
This one brings small sections with big dynamic ranges.
 
This one brings small sections with big dynamic ranges.

That's an accurate and adequate answer to the question I asked, but I guess it just seems that the value that the prior Arks brought, especially 1 and 2, was a lot greater. (Based on the info I have so far)
 
That's an accurate and adequate answer to the question I asked, but I guess it just seems that the value that the prior Arks brought, especially 1 and 2, was a lot greater. (Based on the info I have so far)
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https://orchestraltools.com/resources/documents/Metropolis_Ark_4.pdf

Full articulation & instrument list.

Looks like it's halfway between being "Metropolis Ark 1 First Desks" (extreme dynamics, same general setups as Ark1 with smaller 1-2 desk sections) and "Berlin Inspire 1 Deluxe." (the woodwind and brass combos, but even more unique, plus full pp-ff range).

Much like the Albions+SSO+everything else that Spitfire does in AIR, OT's lineup is starting to get to the point of duplication, but each individual product still sounds interesting... I think it's a matter of deciding what you really need not just hopping on whatever's on sale. For both companies, btw.
 
Pretty sure the Berlin Inspire combos were after-the-fact mixdowns, whereas these were recorded together.

If this Flute, Oboe & Clarinet combo is nice, that alone might make this worth it!
 
Seems like the intro price of €349 , if you compare it to ark 1 or 3 full price of €549, is not 50% but not that far from it.
Exactly. And that’s why I don’t get why some ask for a loyalty discount. This -is- a deep discount, much deeper that the usual intro offers. A big thanks to OT is in order.
 
Exactly. And that’s why I don’t get why some ask for a loyalty discount. This -is- a deep discount, much deeper that the usual intro offers. A big thanks to OT is in order.
Ark 3 was 299€ if you owned Ark 1 or 2. Introductory price otherwise was 349€. So, no, it is exactly the offer they made last year, except no loyalty discount.
 
Ark 3 was 299€ if you owned Ark 1 or 2. Introductory price otherwise was 349€. So, no, it is the exactly the offer they made last year, except no loyalty discount
It is still a great offer. And one loyalty discount doesn’t mean that there will be one the next time.
 
It is still a great offer. And one loyalty discount doesn’t mean that there will be one the next time.
There were loyalty discounts for both Ark 2 and Ark 3. I didn't say I was expecting a loyalty discount. I was pointing out that the previous Arks had been available at a significantly higher discount to owners of the previous libraries whereas you claimed that this discount was much deeper than their usual intro offer. That simply isn't true. This is their usual intro offer for the Arks and it is less generous to existing owners.
 
Saw Ark4 being called ' Power Chamber ' …… if this is serious, what would be main points separating it from
Spitfire _ SCS ? SCS has been main target waiting for Holiday promo(s).
Even with major discount, SCS would still be pricier that Ark 4 Pre-order.
 
Saw Ark4 being called ' Power Chamber ' …… if this is serious, what would be main points separating it from
Spitfire _ SCS ? SCS has been main target waiting for Holiday promo(s).
Even with major discount, SCS would still be pricier that Ark 4 Pre-order.
I don't think you can compare them, Ark 4 is mostly dealing with combinations of instruments, while SCS is a focussed effort on individual chamber string sections.
 
SCS is Strings only. Probably not directly in competition with Ark 4 for mainly that reason. ************ .

Yes :blush: Knee-jerk post after seeing the 'Power Chamber' comment on Comm Thread.

So something more like the oft mentioned BHTC ?
 
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There seems to be some perceived marketing need to hype up legato.

Legato > real legato > true legato > ... > POWER LEGATO??!?

Hahaha it's just so amusing. Hopefully they'll explain this in the walkthrough
 
Yes :blush: Knee-jerk post after seeing the 'Power Chamber' comment on Comm Thread.

So something more like the oft mentioned BHTC ?
One big technical difference is that BHCT is 110GB of material and ARK 4 is 45GB. Yes, i know size doesn't always matter or means anything, but in the case of BHCT it is a huge and vast library with numerous instruments, instrument combinations, each with lots of articulations and mic positions (the mic positions could be the reason for the extra GB in size). In BHCT the mic positions are more than your usual recording angle. It totally changes the instruments balance in the combis, so with one mic position you can get more of the strings and almost no brass, or vice versa and lots of other combinations. It is so vast i haven't really finished going thru all that it has to offer.

As for ARK 4, time will tell. There wasn't a proper walkthrough yet.
I think the timing of this release is totally deliberate, building on the euphoria created by their current sales - in hope more people will buy ark 4 on an impulse, or from a "serial urge" to complete the series. People, 5 minutes ago you didn't even know this library existed. I think i'll wait till next year - and not just because there might be a better price (i bet there will be) but because a year from now there will be more walkthroughs, demos and "in use" videos etc that will give a full picture of what this library really has to offer beyond the initial marketing hype.
 
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