The accents were always there, but I find that E on the SCS spiccato patch rings out quite a lot on the highest dynamic and it starts to sound a bit like rustic fiddling, so I backed off on that. The Berlin can be hit a bit harder but they present their own problems, and I don't think they sound as good as SCS on their own on this pattern—in any case as with SSS it would take quite a lot more work to get there... As for dynamics, it's about 6dB up and down in a 4 measure pattern on all the shorts, and the SCS bus and the Berlin bus are moving up and down about the same amount in 2 measure patterns but more or less opposite one another. Cello is treated on a separate bus, of course.I like this combination better and it sounds like you decided to focus on accent points which seem to give it more flow. Are you also automating the volume a bit? Great job.
Fluid shorts seems to have a lot of flexibility. Wow.Here's the Fluid Shorts Viola with the 3 articulations. Normal, Tight and Ultra-Tight all with the same midi.
Varying velocities as you can see in the screen grab and all note lengths the same.
No processing.
https://www.sightsea.com/music/fluid_shorts/normal.mp3
https://www.sightsea.com/music/fluid_shorts/tight.mp3
https://www.sightsea.com/music/fluid_shorts/ultra-tight.mp3
Is that SWAM? Sounding pretty good. I like the little speed up at the end. Seems like your getting a handle on that one robgb.Solo violin.
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/solo-violin-quick-test-001-mp3.14827/][/AUDIOPLUS]
Fluid shorts seems to have a lot of flexibility. Wow.
SWAM? No. That's a dirty word on VI. This is a real violin. I got excited toward the end.Is that SWAM? Sounding pretty good. I like the little speed up at the end. Seems like your getting a handle on that one robgb.
Hi,
I made an additional test, with some added personalized notes (to prevent madness with only the eebbeebb....)
In this order, only the violins (!):
- Synchron Strings
- Synchron Chamber Strings
- Synchron Strings - Synchron Chamber Strings - VSL violin solo
- Synchron Strings - Synchron Chamber Strings - VSL violin solo - Session Strings Pro
- 8DIO Century Strings (normal & sordino)
- 8DIO Century Strings (normal & sordino) - Session Strings Pro
I tried to avoid only shorts, while this should be more an effort to explore fast up down notes imo. There is some spiccato involved, but mostly in the layered versions. Eager to find out your opinions on this track, so let me know!
I'm sure with layering there is some phasing that is helping to blur some of the machine gun sound.
LOL. Perhaps it is for some but dirty word or not, this is the technology that I think will be the next wave of instrument emulation. Samples can only take us so far and for a phrase like this I don't think they quite cut it. You need either the exact Phrase recorded from a phrase based library or an instrument like SWAM that responds dynamically in real time. Even with a ton of round robins there are too many unnatural tone changes in the samples that don't interact dynamically enough to pull this off as convincingly as I would like. I just hope that Audio Modeling or Sample Modeling or some other physical modeling company can help us find the balance between control and usability.SWAM? No. That's a dirty word on VI. This is a real violin. I got excited toward the end.
And, yes, I'm kidding.
I think a hybrid approach will probably wind up being the key.LOL. Perhaps it is for some but dirty word or not, this is the technology that I think will be the next wave of instrument emulation. Samples can only take us so far and for a phrase like this I don't think they quite cut it. You need either the exact Phrase recorded from a phrase based library or an instrument like SWAM that responds dynamically in real time. Even with a ton of round robins there are too many unnatural tone changes in the samples that don't interact dynamically enough to pull this off as convincingly as I would like. I just hope that Audio Modeling or Sample Modeling or some other physical modeling company can help us find the balance between control and usability.
Yes, got it with the audioplugin.deals bundle (https://vi-control.net/community/threads/just-wow-70-off-impact-soundworks-and-2-freebies.73959)Has someone tested this with this library yet?
https://impactsoundworks.com/product/furia-staccato-strings/
Yes, got it with the audioplugin.deals bundle (https://vi-control.net/community/threads/just-wow-70-off-impact-soundworks-and-2-freebies.73959)
Furia Staccato Strings:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/furia_ostinatotest-mp3.14853/][/AUDIOPLUS]
VSL only:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/vsl_ostinatotest-mp3.14854/][/AUDIOPLUS]
VSL layered with Furia:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/vsl_ostinatotest-wfuria-mp3.14855/][/AUDIOPLUS]
I like the combined sound of VSL and Furia. Furia adds a lot of vibrance to the VSL strings.
Furia itself has only one velocity layer but 16 round robin. I would not use it standalone, but for layering it is a really nice small library, imo.
Thanks again to everyone who contributed. After both extensive listening and trying some of the tricks discussed here (I still have more to try out) on my own libraries I have learned a few good tips and decided to summarize them here.
1. Determine where and how often to Accent (Got this from Shawnsingh's example)-
2. Consider combining a longer note with the short note underneath to add blur. For example- record a 1/32 passage as 1/16 then duplicate the notes and move them, then adjust the velocities down a bit(from Procreative)
3. Consider light pizzicato to accent notes (from DANIELE)
4. Vary the note timing. Some libraries will have tightness knobs for this but might still benefit from doing this in the piano roll.
5. Duplicate the phrase with some low 1/8 notes (if the phrase is 1/32 notes) as in jbuhler's example. However I would probably put them in for feel but not loud enough to discern. It depends on the phrase though.
6. Ride the volume up and down strategically to add ebb and flow.
7. Have another instrument such as violas doing the same pattern without the double notes for accenting (good idea from Sekkosiki)
8. If all else fails come up with a better ostinato pattern that better suits your library and isn't so darn repetitive apparently sounding too much like a Lionel Richie song - (from Procreative)
Edit: I forgot one more tip. Tip 9- Some libraries will respond differently to length of the Spicato note, so it is worth playing around with that feature if it's available.
I will say that I think I'm sold on Performance Samples Fluid Shorts. It seems to have less of that machine gun sound, (maybe not as good as I hoped but still really good) so when combined with some of the tips and tricks discussed in this thread I think it will suit my needs well. I was also impressed with CSS as well.
Chris Hein stuff. His Woodwinds are on my bucket list.