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Perfection is Overrated

robgb said:
Any artist who thinks he or she HAS achieved perfection is either an enormous egotist or is not very good. Maybe both.
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...so, I'm not allowed to to write a track and find that everything is perfect when I'm done with it... without being an egoist? In the end it comes down to tastes. Perfection is mostly sunjective anyway. And if there are people who are lucky enough to be able to write exactly the music that they personally want to write and hear - good for them. I think if you are allowed to think of music by others as perfect you may as well think that about your own stuff, as long as it is genuine. Opinions you can have about others you can also have about yourself, everything else seems pretty restrictive to me.
 
DarkestShadow said:
...so, I'm not allowed to to write a track and find that everything is perfect when I'm done with it... without being an egoist?
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If it's "perfect" for you, yes. But as you say, perfection is subjective. Which is why pursuing it is pointless. As I said, strive instead to do the very best you can.
"The principle mark of genius is not perfection but originality, the opening of new frontiers." ~Arthur Koestler
 
DarkestShadow said:
I'm curious as to why I can think of the work of others as being perfect
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Do you really think that?
Again, like you said, it's subjective.
But I don't believe anything is perfection. Every work of art has flaws, and sometimes those flaws are what make it great.
Really, you're beating a dead horse here. I think my original post was pretty clear in its meaning.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
 
Rodney Money said:
I personally believe that it's based on the lost of his first wife.
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If I remember correctly the Chaccone was first heard in December of 1723. Interestingly the Fantasia and Fugue in G minor was first heard in November of the same year when Bach auditioned for the post of organist in Hamburg. He didn't get the job because the competition was better at "preluding with thalers" (German currency of the time). The Fantasia is also a very emotional work and quite possibly the first piece to use the diminished seventh chord as a modulatory pivot.

For those who don't know the story, in June of 1723 Bach left with his boss on a business trip that took about 5 weeks. When he returned he found that his wife had died from an illness, had been buried and his children were living with an uncle.
 
This is an interesting conversation that seems to involve two groups of people with clashing definitions of perfection. In my opinion, perfection doesn't mean literally flawless everything, it means flawless execution of my vision. Between live players and samples there will never be absolute pristine final mixes all the time, but that means a level of character that's maybe perfect for the project.

It's not egotistical to think you've reached that point
 
robgb said:
Do you really think that?
Again, like you said, it's subjective.
But I don't believe anything is perfection. Every work of art has flaws, and sometimes those flaws are what make it great.
Really, you're beating a dead horse here. I think my original post was pretty clear in its meaning.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
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Hm, OK - you generally do not consider anything to be perfect... then the thread title would be "perfection doesn't exist". One of the things important here is of again subjectivity. For me there are a few (but truly very few) things (music and beyond) that are just entirely perfect, without any flaw. (my definiton of perfection also doesn't exclude flaws - some flaws like noises in samples for example can in some cases enhance realism and thus make a mock-up more perfectly realistic for example).
But of course there is also IMO a difference between perfection and absolute perfection. I may consider something to be so great that I'm willing to look over a few minor niggles and call it perfect. I'd the agree not being able to be happy before this absolute and utter perfection is reached is often more damaging than good.
Btw: I would never beat you! :P Greetings.... :)
 
robgb said:
Trying to find a sample library that perfectly represents every articulation of an orchestra, or guitar, or whatever, is a fruitless exercise.
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I think looking for a perfect library is totally fair since we will play it imperfectly anyway.
Just like trying to find a good real instrument.
 
Ned Bouhalassa said:
I still think this thread has little to do with Sample Talk. Moderators?
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I'm curious. Why do you give a crap what forum this is in? Don't read it, if it bothers you. And since it's clearly about the perfection (or lack thereof) of sample libraries, I think it's just fine here. But I'm happy to let the moderators decide. By the way, I started this thread back in January. I'm surprised people are even still responding.
 
robgb said:
I'm curious. Why do you give a crap what forum this is in? Don't read it, if it bothers you. And since it's clearly about the perfection (or lack thereof) of sample libraries, I think it's just fine here.
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Most of the posts have little to do with sample libraries. Most, not all of them.
 
Pantonal said:
For those who don't know the story, in June of 1723 Bach left with his boss on a business trip that took about 5 weeks. When he returned he found that his wife had died from an illness, had been buried and his children were living with an uncle.
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He probably wrote the very first keyboard concerto ever around 1723.

1723 is from memory quite a special date because that's when he arrived in Leipzig. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyone who thinks about perfection should listen to Bach, although not everything he wrote was perfect. Probably.
 
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