storyteller
Senior Member
Well, this weekend I got curious about something, which may have just opened the door to something really wonderful here in the vi-control community. After fighting with sustained sordino patches in a place where I needed legato sordino, I conceded that the only real solution was to just buy another library (the usual solution - and one I enjoy doing) with real legato sordinos and just blend it into my workflow. As I was auditioning every library under the sun to decide if I wanted to make a small change or possibly even a big change to accommodate this one need, my thoughts drifted off to that Melodyne 4 video where there is a brief mention at the end of the "what's new" video where the harmonics of a piano are applied to a guitar. And kind of like magic, the guitar sounded piano-esque.
So, there it was. That is the technique I decided to try in applying sordino harmonics to my non sordino legato patch with Melodyne. So - without furtheradieu ado - here are the results. I would love to hear thoughts and opinions on it.
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THE RESULTS
SSSE = Symphony Series Strings Ensemble
Melodyne = Melodyne 4 Studio
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ORIGINAL SSSE LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/7ku6vuh7tjlxax25nqnh7gnhd1omzfr0
ORIGINAL SSSE SORDINO:
https://app.box.com/s/alw0x14wmgjgrw4056cn1nf9ox7d3uhz
***The sound is beautifully sampled, but notice the sucking sound because it is only a sustained patch and needs legato for the faster passages. This is a problem for anyone using sustains where legato is needed***
MELODYNE SSSE SORDINO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO SSSE LEGATO PATCH:
https://app.box.com/s/jiplrnv0xprnzbqpn7hu44b5g3xa1l3m
***Notice there are no artifacts apparent, nor is there a synthetic sordino sound apparent with other sample library developers. It just sounds real IMHO. A slight notch of eq around 1.4k would make both samples equal, but I left that untouched here. NOTE: The Melodyne EQ mapping match to the sordinos did not produce workable results. It made it sound like the other IR based "sordino modes" or plugins. ***
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And just for fun....
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ORIGINAL, 4 AGITATO LEGATO INSTANCES TO ACCOMODATE FOR 4 PART DIVISI:
https://app.box.com/s/a83g7iv0wkmfjmrfvujm9s2bmgdjy90z
MELODYNE SSSE SORDINO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO AGITATO LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/ato2bkv19wvtq0m0bs0rs74ywp524if1
***This sounds real again, with no artifacts, though the sound of having one patch layered any number of times for divisi writing on 1st and 2nd violins isn't my preference. Tonally though, the sordino sounds wonderful.***
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And finally just to see how 2 completely
different sample libraries' harmonics react
when harmonic maps are exchanged...
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ORIGINAL SSSE LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/7ku6vuh7tjlxax25nqnh7gnhd1omzfr0
MELODYNE AGITATO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO SSSE LEGATO PATCH:
https://app.box.com/s/whzu2trvviqlvrv10qb2ldomwvoso4dn
***Almost nothing happens - which means that this is truly the harmonics of the violin instrument itself and not the "sound" of the 8dio violins vs the SSSE violins***
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Download all files in WAV & MP3 format in a single zip: https://app.box.com/s/xk7sa4vtyd7nl5jjbmtaps28q2c0em06
NOTE: The midi file has no dynamics applied to it just for simplicity. PM me if you would like the midi file to replicate results.
So, there it was. That is the technique I decided to try in applying sordino harmonics to my non sordino legato patch with Melodyne. So - without further
--------------------
THE RESULTS
SSSE = Symphony Series Strings Ensemble
Melodyne = Melodyne 4 Studio
--------------------
ORIGINAL SSSE LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/7ku6vuh7tjlxax25nqnh7gnhd1omzfr0
ORIGINAL SSSE SORDINO:
https://app.box.com/s/alw0x14wmgjgrw4056cn1nf9ox7d3uhz
***The sound is beautifully sampled, but notice the sucking sound because it is only a sustained patch and needs legato for the faster passages. This is a problem for anyone using sustains where legato is needed***
MELODYNE SSSE SORDINO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO SSSE LEGATO PATCH:
https://app.box.com/s/jiplrnv0xprnzbqpn7hu44b5g3xa1l3m
***Notice there are no artifacts apparent, nor is there a synthetic sordino sound apparent with other sample library developers. It just sounds real IMHO. A slight notch of eq around 1.4k would make both samples equal, but I left that untouched here. NOTE: The Melodyne EQ mapping match to the sordinos did not produce workable results. It made it sound like the other IR based "sordino modes" or plugins. ***
--------------------
And just for fun....
--------------------
ORIGINAL, 4 AGITATO LEGATO INSTANCES TO ACCOMODATE FOR 4 PART DIVISI:
https://app.box.com/s/a83g7iv0wkmfjmrfvujm9s2bmgdjy90z
MELODYNE SSSE SORDINO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO AGITATO LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/ato2bkv19wvtq0m0bs0rs74ywp524if1
***This sounds real again, with no artifacts, though the sound of having one patch layered any number of times for divisi writing on 1st and 2nd violins isn't my preference. Tonally though, the sordino sounds wonderful.***
------------------------------------------------
And finally just to see how 2 completely
different sample libraries' harmonics react
when harmonic maps are exchanged...
------------------------------------------------
ORIGINAL SSSE LEGATO:
https://app.box.com/s/7ku6vuh7tjlxax25nqnh7gnhd1omzfr0
MELODYNE AGITATO HARMONICS MAP APPLIED TO SSSE LEGATO PATCH:
https://app.box.com/s/whzu2trvviqlvrv10qb2ldomwvoso4dn
***Almost nothing happens - which means that this is truly the harmonics of the violin instrument itself and not the "sound" of the 8dio violins vs the SSSE violins***
------------------------------------------------
Download all files in WAV & MP3 format in a single zip: https://app.box.com/s/xk7sa4vtyd7nl5jjbmtaps28q2c0em06
NOTE: The midi file has no dynamics applied to it just for simplicity. PM me if you would like the midi file to replicate results.
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