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tmhuud · Senior Member

logic plugin.
7.2.3
tiger 10.4.11
mac pro dual quad 2.66

@Craig -got your call man-totally slammed at the moment-had about 30mins tops to try it out then had to go back to work. will call asap.

Craig Sharmat · Alpha Dog Moderator

OK!!!

I think I know where the crackles are coming from!

They appear at the beginning only of notes. Those notes are from libraries heavily scripted in K2. Lass btw was not a culprit, but Bela D libraries have an issue and my Wavelore stuff with scripting did not sound at all. It may be I need to use a K3 version of the Bela d stuff but do not have that. I am not going to make a detailed list cause I have a life (well I wanted to appear that way) but it appears the scripting conversion from K2 to K3 does not always work well. You can run both programs in the same sequence so there is a work around.

Frederick Russ · Site Admin

In standalone mode on a slave (G5 Quad w/8GB RAM) I'm finding the performance completely outstanding here.

So far:

Four complete instances of K3.5 weighing in at 4.5GB (so far) - that's 256 instruments loaded. All instruments are 24-bit/48kHz. Playback is great. In short, I just doubled the performance of my G5 Quad slave and I'm about to push it beyond that here in a few.

Um - I love this thing - so far.

Pedro Camacho · Senior Member

How do you use Kontakt Standalone? How to you port the audio to the main PC?

bdr · Senior Member

Are you guys testing this on a separate partition? I'm a bit nervous about overwriting K3.

Stevie · Senior Member

I didn't have any issues yet. Au contraire, Kontakt loads stuff than ever. It's crazy...

Craig Sharmat · Alpha Dog Moderator

I am running K2 and never put in K3 for work so I am no help here.

rJames · EIS Student

Is anyone who owns K3 within Komplete able to download this yet?

If so, how?

Thanks.

It is requesting that I register a product. But all my instances of K3 are registered already.

muziksculp · Senior Member

Frederick Russ @ Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:15 pm wrote:

In standalone mode on a slave (G5 Quad w/8GB RAM) I'm finding the performance completely outstanding here.

So far:

Four complete instances of K3.5 weighing in at 4.5GB (so far) - that's 256 instruments loaded. All instruments are 24-bit/48kHz. Playback is great. In short, I just doubled the performance of my G5 Quad slave and I'm about to push it beyond that here in a few.

Um - I love this thing - so far.

Wow ! That's amazing performance for a G5 Quad. Seems like K3.5 (public-beta) might be an official version in disguise Smile

Question... How do you launch four stand-alone instances of K3.5 on the same computer ? do you make a copy of the application, then change the name of each copy, and launch each one as stand-alone instance ? or .... ?

Thanks.

Ned Bouhalassa · VI-PRO Moderator

Exactly. Make a copy and change the name.

dcoscina · Senior Member

This thing loads multis in Symphobia at blindingly fast speeds. I'm totally impressed.

Ned Bouhalassa · VI-PRO Moderator

muziksculp · Senior Member

Ned Bouhalassa @ Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:09 pm wrote:

Exactly. Make a copy and change the name.

Thanks Ned.

Running K3.5 as a stand-alone is most likely the most stable/reliable way to run it. I think that has always been the case with Kontakt.

It would be interesting to see how K3.5 behaves, under heavy loads, when used as a plug-in instruments in various DAWs, and O.Systems.

Frederick Russ · Site Admin

Probably going over the top, but believe it or not, this actually works:

http://www.soaringmusic.com/G5_Quad+6_K3_5s_384_Insts.jpg

smaller pic:

384 Instruments, six complete instances of K3.5 in a G5 Quad w/8GB Ram - all instruments work fine (I'm in shock).

Here's how it weighs in on the Activity Monitor:

Probably more feasible to run this in only ( ! ) five instances because of the memory usage but I was trying to push it as far as the Quad could take me without glitches etc.

Remember - this is all in standalone mode - just placed different instances of K3.5 in folders and renamed six. I've seen enough - had I had more RAM I'm sure K3.5 could have done it. I'm still in shock but its beginning to feel like Christmas II around here at the moment.

dexterflex · Senior Member

Wow that is impressive. So with a nahalem Mac pro loaded with 32 gig of ram we could probably run every articulation of EAST WEST platinum among other libraries. How long did it take for all 6 instances to load?

Frederick Russ · Site Admin

Longer than it would by simultaneously loading these on different machines obviously. It takes at least 45 minutes to load all these now that I have the multis to work from - I'll probably remove one instance to give the Quad more breathing room memory wise but this is impressive stuff. What an update.

Sheesh - it could conceivably take you at least an hour and a half to load all the EW platinum stuff on one machine give or take. I've been talking to Nick Batzdorf who informs me it may be possible to manually sleep your slave while keeping your samples loaded - hadn't tried it but it sounded promising.

tmhuud · Senior Member

@ Frederick - Wow thats crazy man. Thats a lot of crap on one one computer.
@ Craig - man you don't have a life outside of this world - so stop pretending. Man I hear you - I've had K3 on my machine for quite awhile but never used it for work. That is why I figured what the F#$(k why not try overwriting it and see what it can do . i'm seeing what your saying about the heavily scripted stuff causing truble. Hey I don't know - it might be late for you. I'd call but hey - I'll be at this running it thru its ropes until around 2-3am if your still around.

Cheers,

tmhuud · Senior Member

Well- I am pretty impressed. I'm having patches that normally took 3-4 seconds to load going in at a tenth of a second. I have like 8 instances of K3 packed right now. This is quite something. Bela D. is giving me problems as well as anything that I have custom scripts for but otherwise - hey - well -this is good...

This is good.

Waywyn · Senior Member

@Fred: Did you try to reload the session? How long does it take then?
... and by the way, how are you able to do such big screenies? Very Happy

I always get a message if they are over 2x2 pixel Wink

(just kidding, but the size is kinda small)

Waywyn · Senior Member

Pedro Camacho @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:47 am wrote:

How do you use Kontakt Standalone? How to you port the audio to the main PC?

Hi Pedro, not sure about Windows, but afaik you can do it with FXT.
Someone posted a link on my website. I think this tutorial is done by Piotr:
http://www.piotrmusial.com/tutorials/tut4.html

Isn't he also around here, no?

tmhuud · Senior Member

Frederick Russ @ Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:11 pm wrote:

. I've seen enough - had I had more RAM I'm sure K3.5 could have done it. I'm still in shock but its beginning to feel like Christmas II around here at the moment.

LOL. Frederick I think its time you picked up more ram buddy. DAmn - I am really impressed. I just cant bring my Mac to its knees...

Christian Marcussen · Senior Member

HI Frederik... Just so I understand what I'm looking at. The screen features 6 instances with visibly 16 instruments each? Are there other patches loaded which we can't see?

TheoKrueger · Senior Member

Hi Christian, if you check the two last pictures at the bottom they are also using the 49-64 ports, it looks like there are 64 patches (!!) loaded in each instance! Smile

Christian Marcussen · Senior Member

ah right - I missed that. Thanks.

Pietro · Senior Member

rJames @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 03:50 wrote:

Is anyone who owns K3 within Komplete able to download this yet?

You should be able to download it now, the problem for Komplete users has been fixed.

- Piotr

Waywyn · Senior Member

Another thing to mention: I did a hardcore test with like 25 instances inside Logic, but only one instrument loaded at a time.

Hardcore test because it was all perf legato instruments from the Opus bundle. With K2 there always was that file limit problem (you weren't able to load more than around 10.000 files) ... now not a problem anymore.

Andreas Moisa · Senior Member

After the problem for Komplete Users has been solved I was able to download 3.5!
I really like the new Library Browser, "BUT" has anybody managed to add a library like TAIKO that didn't come with the K2 Player (or Kompakt Player)?

Waywyn · Senior Member

Andreas Moisa @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:14 am wrote:

After the problem for Komplete Users has been solved I was able to download 3.5!
I really like the new Library Browser, "BUT" has anybody managed to add a library like TAIKO that didn't come with the K2 Player (or Kompakt Player)?

The new browser is only for KPlayer or the internal K2/3 libraries ..

Andreas Moisa · Senior Member

Yeah, that's what I thought. Wouldn't it be great to just add your other libs too?

Hey Alex, you said something about a Memory Server. On Windows (XP32) I don't see such a thing. Could you check if this works with Cubase on Mac too?

Pietro · Senior Member

Okay, this update doesn't seem to like me that much.

XP x64 - Cubase 4 64bit and K3.5 64bit is, well... fine. It freezes loading or playing for no significant reason at some point. Maybe it's C4's fault, I should be able to test it with C5 soon.

In Cubase 4 32bit there's that strange thing with projects using K3.5 over FX Teleport. Most instances will have some interface problems or won't play. Resetting engine or closing the project freezes Cubase.

I'll see if I have more luck later Wink

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I'm affraid I'll be waiting for VE Pro anyway, because it solves much more problems without having to change host/os/computer and all the stuff I don't want to have to change Wink

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- Piotr

dcoscina · Senior Member

Pietro @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:33 am wrote:

Okay, this update doesn't seem to like me that much.

XP x64 - Cubase 4 64bit and K3.5 64bit is, well... fine. It freezes loading or playing for no significant reason at some point. Maybe it's C4's fault, I should be able to test it with C5 soon.

In Cubase 4 32bit there's that strange thing with projects using K3.5 over FX Teleport. Most instances will have some interface problems or won't play. Resetting engine or closing the project freezes Cubase.

I'll see if I have more luck later Wink

.

- Piotr

It's been reported that this does not work on XP64 only Vista 64 for PC. Also, only in Macs does K3.5 use all system RAM outside the plug in. this is what I have read on other forums.

Pietro · Senior Member

dcoscina @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 14:36 wrote:

It's been reported that this does not work on XP64 only Vista 64 for PC. Also, only in Macs does K3.5 use all system RAM outside the plug in. this is what I have read on other forums.

Thanks for the info, David. Could you link me to the forums?

- Piotr

dannthr · Senior Member

YouTube Link

Waywyn · Senior Member

Andreas Moisa @ Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:52 am wrote:

Yeah, that's what I thought. Wouldn't it be great to just add your other libs too?

Hey Alex, you said something about a Memory Server. On Windows (XP32) I don't see such a thing. Could you check if this works with Cubase on Mac too?

Sorry my fault, to not being detailed enough with my posts, ... I am just on MAC and don't know about Win ... (and to be honest, I don't want to anymore Smile

)

timkiel · Senior Member

Andreas

The memory server is only for Mac and is used to address 64bit RAM. K3.5 is native 64 bit for Windows. But of course you need to be running XP64 or Vista64 to gan the benefits.

Works fine in Logic 8 and Cubase 4 (not got 5 so can't comment) on Mac OSX 10.5.6

Best

Tim